Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[TopCat]

"The mother of Mark Duggan, who was shot by police in north London, has said she hopes "the truth will finally come out" at his inquest.

Pam Duggan said that since the 29-year-old was shot dead in Tottenham, the family had been told "nothing but lies, misinformation, and delay".

Mr Duggan's death in 2011 sparked widespread riots in London.

The inquest has opened at the Royal Courts of Justice and is expected to last about eight weeks."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24105858

 

[TopCat]

Court reports:
Potential jurors in #Duggan inquest told firearms officers from scene of shooting will give evidence anonymously "for good reasons".
Duggan Jurors told Kevin Hutchinson-Foster who's alleged to have supplied Mark Duggan with a gun is a witness in case.

 

[DaveCinzano]

The Guardian's constructive relationship with Met on show again today:

Mark Duggan inquest jury to hear gun may have been planted
Local resident known as Miss J will say she saw suspicious activity by police after shooting, counsel tells jurors

I imagine there will be a fair few parking tickets handed out and 'random' breathalyser spot-checks undertaken around Kings Place in coming weeks.

 

[CNT36]

http://www.daily fucking mail.co.uk/debate/article-2425855/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Pray-silence-court-dead-gangster.html
Some gems in there.

 

[DexterTCN]

http://www.daily fucking mail.co.uk/debate/article-2425855/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Pray-silence-court-dead-gangster.html
Some gems in there.

Can littleknob call him a gangster during the inquest? Hopefully that's contempt.

 

[Fez909]

One of the "48 most violent criminals in Europe".

 

[Humberto]

So we still don't know what happened? Fuckinghell. Surely there where witnesses which is all you can go on. I don't know much about the lad but what was he killed FOR?

 

[dylanredefined]

So we still don't know what happened? Fuckinghell. Surely there where witnesses which is all you can go on. I don't know much about the lad but what was he killed FOR?

According to police he produced a gun whether he decided to go out in a blaze of glory or he was trying to throw it away and it was misinterpreted. Or the police are lying who knows?
Eye witnesses are unreliable your mind will pray tricks on you under stressful situations. Got to do police judgement shoot training earlier this year. Situation happens you shoot or don't shoot and then justify your actions to the police. I saw blood stains where in reality it was a red scarf.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

20m
vikram dodd @VikramDodd
Taxi driver says he did not see #duggan holding a weapon or raising his arm
13m
vikram dodd @VikramDodd
Taxi driver says armed officer threatened to shoot him if he kept looking at where #duggan had fallen

 

[Fozzie Bear]

vikram dodd @VikramDodd
Taxi driver said one armed officer, w42, was in a rage "like someone who had lost their senses"

 

[brogdale]

vikram dodd @VikramDodd
Taxi driver said one armed officer, w42, was in a rage "like someone who had lost their senses"

Interesting....report from court correspondent being given on R5 atm...mentioned all of that verbatim and added view of taxi driver that Duggan had been shot in the back.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Interesting....report from court correspondent being given on R5 atm...mentioned all of that verbatim and added view of taxi driver that Duggan had been shot in the back.

Indeed:

Riot From Wrong @RiotfromWrong
"I clearly saw police shoot Mark #Duggan in the back, I saw the feathers fly out of his jacket" (TD)

 

[brogdale]

Indeed:

Riot From Wrong @RiotfromWrong
"I clearly saw police shoot Mark #Duggan in the back, I saw the feathers fly out of his jacket" (TD)

Although, (i'm no expert at all) but mightn't the stuff fly out the back of his jacket if he had been hit from the front?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Although, (i'm no expert at all) but mightn't the stuff fly out the back of his jacket if he had been hit from the front?

I'm hoping not to find out! But yeah I guess so.

 

[TopCat]

When if ever will we hear the truth?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Although, (i'm no expert at all) but mightn't the stuff fly out the back of his jacket if he had been hit from the front?

It's more likely that he was shot in the back if feathers from a quilted jacket were seen coming from his back.

 

[brogdale]

It's more likely that he was shot in the back if feathers from a quilted jacket were seen coming from his back.

Well the Taxi driver did say that Duggan was attempting to run away from the vehicle, so that fits.

 

[Spymaster]

It's more likely that he was shot in the back if feathers from a quilted jacket were seen coming from his back.

What did the post-mortem say?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

What did the post-mortem say?

I can't remember.

 

[TopCat]

What did the post-mortem say?

"Post-mortem test showed Mr Duggan was shot in the chest and upper right arm."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21060194

Nothing on the direction of the shots.

 

[Spymaster]

"Post-mortem test showed Mr Duggan was shot in the chest and upper right arm."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21060194

Nothing on the direction of the shots.

The Old Bailey heard the fatal shot was to the chest, entering the front right hand side and exiting the back of Mr Duggan on the left hand side.

Would probably explain the feathers.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

So the witness who said he clearly saw plod shoot MD in the back, in fact didn't see plod shoot MD in the back.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

"Post-mortem test showed Mr Duggan was shot in the chest and upper right arm."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21060194

Nothing on the direction of the shots.

Obviously, the post mortem would have included in its report, which were entry & exit wounds. Has this info been released d'ya know TC?

 

[Spymaster]

So the witness who said he clearly saw plod shoot MD in the back, in fact didn't see plod shoot MD in the back.

Looks that way.

 

[TopCat]

Obviously, the post mortem would have included in its report, which were entry & exit wounds. Has this info been released d'ya know TC?

I can't find the coroner's report. Not sure it has been released.

 

[andysays]

The Old Bailey heard the fatal shot was to the chest, entering the front right hand side and exiting the back of Mr Duggan on the left hand side.

So the witness who said he clearly saw plod shoot MD in the back, in fact didn't see plod shoot MD in the back.

The fatal shot is not necessarily the only shot.

Do we know how many shots were fired/how made distinct wounds there were? Presumably the C's report will contain the latter.

 

[Spymaster]

The fatal shot is not necessarily the only shot.

Do we know how many shots were fired/how made distinct wounds there were? Presumably the C's report will contain the latter.

According to TC's link he was hit by 2 shots. One to the upper arm and one to the chest.

 

[DotCommunist]

can't wait to hear the explanation for the miracle gun found in a sock 10 feet away behind a wall. Theres going to be some bare faced lies coming out then.

 

[andysays]

According to TC's link he was hit by 2 shots. One to the upper arm and one to the chest.

The report in that link is about a previous trial in Jan, of someone charged with supplying a gun to MD.

I have to admit I can't quite get my head round the various conflicting descriptions there of angles of fire/entrance and exit wounds.

Presumably this will need to be gone through at some point during the current inquest - let's hope it's made a bit clearer.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Joe Pike @joepike
The word 'liar' shouted by member of #Duggan family/ loved ones as officer V53 says MD holding gun.

matt prodger @MattProdger
Coroner: The gun disappeared? V53: It did, sir. #duggan