Many dead in coordinated Paris shootings and explosions

[Pickman's model]

Worth pointing out, I think, that these are recurring themes. Then the question becomes: how did such end-time nutters get their hands on such money and weaponry and power? Even al-qaeda think they go too far.

The extreme fuck-up that was the Iraq invasion clearly has a role in creating the space for them. Money from oil-rich Arab individuals much of the finance. But even then they still have to recruit. At what point do world leaders call Saudi Arabia on this? What more has to happen?

could you stop with this 2003 business. it's getting dull and leads nowhere. you show no signs of understsnding how or why such sunni alienation arose which limits the value of your analysis.

 

[Pickman's model]

Fuckers straight in with it...

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well they've lit the blue touch paper.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

could you stop with this 2003 business. it's getting dull and leads nowhere. you show no signs of understsnding how or why such sunni alienation arose which limits the value of your analysis.

Go on then, explain. But you need not only to explain the process of alienation - you also need to explain how that alienation was turned towards an extreme end-of-the-world death cult. That took serious finance and effort and support.

 

[brogdale]

Bit slow today; just read that the club murders occurred on Boulevard Voltaire.

 

[8den]

Expected nothing less from the Mail.

Jihad Muslim terrorists give you cancer while stealing benefits?

 

[coley]

I'd double like your post if i could but sadly ( as in x11 sadly) i think division & polarisation is most of the point of the action last night.

Yet, despite the various terrorist attacks this "polarisation and division" hasn't happened (with the exception of those already on this path)
Hopefully the OTT reaction these people long for won't happen.

 

[brogdale]

Jihad Muslim terrorists give you cancer while stealing benefits?

Impact on house prices...Diana in Parisian underpass...worst ever weather...

 

[Pickman's model]

littlebabyjesus
you have ignored the past eight years in iraq. you didn't notice the sectarian baghdad govt. they lost tribes which the us had had onside against aq. not going to spoonfeed you when you've shown no willingness to relieve your own ignorance and a worrying habit of pontificating from the position of ignorance.

 

[weltweit]

Someone I know, who possibly reads the Mail, will now be saying "I told you so!" because their main concern with respect to the refugee crisis was that among the refugees could be terrorists and in their words, even if it is only 1 in 500 that is a lot of terrorists getting through.

Whatever your own or my own feelings on this, there will be sympathy with this view in sections of the country.

 

[Chick Webb]

Someone I know, who possibly reads the Mail, will now be saying "I told you so!" because their main concern with respect to the refugee crisis was that among the refugees could be terrorists and in their words, even if it is only 1 in 500 that is a lot of terrorists getting through.

Whatever your own or my own feelings on this, there will be sympathy with this view in sections of the country.

But that's entirely illogical. There's no way that anyone recently arrived orchestrated something as big as last night. That's so obvious I can't believe anyone is even hinting at it.

 

[coley]

Could everyone on the thread please change their avatar to a tricolor, just to annoy him?

The ignore function is a better option, thought earlier on he was trying to make a somewhat valid point but I was wrong.

 

[weltweit]

But that's entirely illogical. There's no way that anyone recently arrived orchestrated something as big as last night. That's so obvious I can't believe anyone is even hinting at it.

People have been leaving Syria for years.

 

[weltweit]

Did you hear about this lucky guy .. his phone deflected shrapnel and probably saved his life.

Paris attacks: 'I was saved by my mobile phone' - BBC News

 

[Chick Webb]

People have been leaving Syria for years.

Perhaps. I suppose "the West" should reconsider thwarting Assad.

 

[weltweit]

Perhaps. I suppose "the West" should reconsider thwarting Assad.

I think this could lead to European boots on the ground, which as the Russians are probably considering the same at the moment could get very complicated.

 

[agricola]

But that's entirely illogical. There's no way that anyone recently arrived orchestrated something as big as last night. That's so obvious I can't believe anyone is even hinting at it.

Sadly, it isn't entirely illogical - all they would have needed is someone to house them, and for weapons to be supplied.

 

[alan_]

F# is a letter? (I do know midi btw, but let's forget humour for now)

No it is not a letter and if it were a simple code of swapping values would not be very complex. It would also not be very hidden which is the reason for the steganography tag. You say you know midi so, a midi message comprises One status byte and one , two or none data bytes. Control changes happen less frequently than note on/offs but still have a space allocated in the lower nibble of the next byte same as pitch control gizmos (portamentos), they can take the whole of the third byte, yet if the values are not there the code will still run as a a midi file.So now what we have is for every bass drum beat up to two bytes of data that can be filled with other values.

 

[coley]

they're all at it

Define "all"
Ta.

 

[trashpony]

But that's entirely illogical. There's no way that anyone recently arrived orchestrated something as big as last night. That's so obvious I can't believe anyone is even hinting at it.

Well apparently one of the perpetrators was a recent arrival in Europe but I don't see how that's here nor there really. If he'd arrived on a plane travelling first class, he's still a scummy murdering fucker

 

[brogdale]

But that's entirely illogical. There's no way that anyone recently arrived orchestrated something as big as last night. That's so obvious I can't believe anyone is even hinting at it.

Those orchestrating the barbarity required individuals willing to blow themselves up. Unfortunately for those of us striving to make refugees welcome, it is entirely possible that recently arrived jihadis presenting as refugees undertook last night's outrage. It is an unpalatable truth, but it was almost certainly one of ISIS' intents to fuel the right-wing, anti-refugee belief that jihadis radicalised in Syria/Iraq were able to eventually make their way to Paris using the refugee crisis as cover.

 

[Chick Webb]

Sadly, it isn't entirely illogical - all they would have needed is someone to house them, and for weapons to be supplied.

Indeed. But the planners would have been in situ.

Who cares anyway. It doesn't matter. There will be a right wing narrative about it, and a Government (probably slightly less rightwing but still rightwing) narrative, both of which have more to do with propaganda than reality. Logic and facts won't make a dent in the way the story is told.

 

[weltweit]

Sadly, it isn't entirely illogical - all they would have needed is someone to house them, and for weapons to be supplied.

The AK47s would have been simple, the Balkans are swimming in them but the suicide vests would have needed some expertise in explosives, I doubt the person(s) who supplied them took part in the raid, so they are still at large. And thinking back to the Charlie Hebdo attack, back then they didn't have vests, so this operation was more complex in that regard.

 

[brogdale]

Indeed. But the planners would have been in situ.

Who cares anyway. It doesn't matter. There will be a right wing narrative about it, and a Government (probably slightly less rightwing but still rightwing) narrative, both of which have more to do with propaganda than reality. Logic and facts won't make a dent in the way the story is told.

The ability to sway public opinion on this issue does matter.

 

[Chick Webb]

The ability to sway public opinion on this issue does matter.

Sorry. Of course it does. I found today stressful and nervewracking. Imperialism and the liberal blindness to it is driving me mad, as well as living in London and wondering what Daesh has cooked up for me.

 

[coley]

Someone I know, who possibly reads the Mail, will now be saying "I told you so!" because their main concern with respect to the refugee crisis was that among the refugees could be terrorists and in their words, even if it is only 1 in 500 that is a lot of terrorists getting through.

Whatever your own or my own feelings on this, there will be sympathy with this view in sections of the country.

Someone you know? " "my own feelings of this" "possibly reads the mail"
Wanted to give a balanced reply, but the ongoing news and half a bottle of wine says "fuck off you two faced twat"

 

[coley]

Perhaps. I suppose "the West" should reconsider thwarting Assad.

Thwart the bastard with a hellfire missile then discuss options.

 

[weltweit]

.. Wanted to give a balanced reply, but the ongoing news and half a bottle of wine says "fuck off you two faced twat"

Fuck off yourself you lazy pissed fart !!

 

[coley]

The AK47s would have been simple, the Balkans are swimming in them but the suicide vests would have needed some expertise in explosives, I doubt the person(s) who supplied them took part in the raid, so they are still at large. And thinking back to the Charlie Hebdo attack, back then they didn't have vests, so this operation was more complex in that regard.

I suspect the football stadium bombers were equipped with suicide vests with preprogrammed timers, whether they were aware of this and thought they could control the explosions will probably become evident in the coming days.

 

[coley]

Fuck off yourself you lazy pissed fart !!

I always enjoy your well thought out replies, I imagine you as a Pickman's model aged 13/and a half
Though,you have the opportunity to avoid that particular course of development

 

[weltweit]

I always enjoy your well thought out replies, I imagine you as a Pickman's model aged 13/and a half
Though,you have the opportunity to avoid that particular course of development

So what about that balanced reply then, assuming you are not too drunk?

And the person whose views I was mentioning is ex military, definitely not me!