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[Jay Park]

Human rights in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia

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ive been banned off loads of City fb groups etc for raising this, and other issues. People just want their distractions, regardless of the consequences. Where did the cobalt in your device come from? Let's have it scaled all the way back rather than only chip away.

 

[RD2003]

It's just replaced one mega-mega rich, foreign owned, elitist club with another, no? They've won it three times out of four now so they're just part of the same closed shop for the super wealthy.

Apart from Leicester's unexpected win, it'll carry on being big business as usual for the super rich clubs.

Missing the point. Nobody has argued that City's rise has resulted in 'a more level playing field,' as people like to put it (as if it could actually happen now.) Just that City have indeed broken up the cosy old elite while becoming one of a partly reconstituted elite themselves, albeit not without massive resistance from behind stage. It's doubtful that Leicester would have broken through in 2016 if the old top 4 were still intact.

This has put noses out of joint in the old elite, or more accurately cartel, who fondly imagine that they have a divine right to be at the top, unchallenged, forever, even if failing on the pitch and losing money through their own incompetence. Hence the latest attempt at a European Super League.

 

[RD2003]

Human rights in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia

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It's utterly disgraceful. The West ought to step in and sort it out like in Iraq and Libya.

 

[Jay Park]

It's utterly disgraceful. The West ought to step in and sort it out like in Iraq and Libya.

20 years

British troops were twice as likely to be killed in Afghanistan as US forces

Exclusive: Costs of War study looked losses suffered by Nato allies over 2001-17, finding UK lost 455 lives

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[editor]

This has put noses out of joint in the old elite, or more accurately cartel, who fondly imagine that they have a divine right to be at the top, unchallenged, forever, even if failing on the pitch and losing money through their own incompetence. Hence the latest attempt at a European Super League.

So Man City - now the 6th richest football club in the world with over half a billion in yearly revenue - have now become part of the new elite. How is that good news for football in general?

 

[editor]

Like it or not this is what the Man City brand is inexorably linked with:

Should we divorce Man City from human rights abuses? - Football365

John Nicholson worries that he is being childish when he struggles with the whole killing gays thing…

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[RD2003]

And as we know, all fans of other clubs were consumed with anguish about the situation even before an individual from the Abu Dhabi government bought Manchester City. Some of them used to lose sleep over it even before they'd ever thought of Abu Dhabi or even knew where it was.

 

[Flavour]

It's just replaced one mega-mega rich, foreign owned, elitist club with another, no?

Careful there editor , you're only a couple of steps away from sounding like a Leaver there

 

[RD2003]

So Man City - now the 6th richest football club in the world with over half a billion in yearly revenue - have now become part of the new elite. How is that good news for football in general?

Never said it was good news for anybody other than City. As we've seen, it isn't good news for the old elite/cartel clubs who had been operating a de-facto closed shop in their own domestic leagues and European football for decades. In desperation, they now drop any pretence of fairness and reveal that it's an actual closed shop that they want.

 

[RD2003]

Careful there editor , you're only a couple of steps away from sounding like a Leaver there

Something should be done about these Islamics.

 

[editor]

Never said it was good news for anybody other than City. As we've seen, it isn't good news for the old elite/cartel clubs who had been operating a de-facto closed shop in their own domestic leagues and European football for decades. In desperation, they now drop any pretence of fairness and reveal that it's an actual closed shop that they want.

I couldn't give a fuck about the old elite/cartel clubs and I couldn't give a fuck about the the new elite/cartel clubs because THEY'RE EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME.

 

[RD2003]

I couldn't give a fuck about the old elite/cartel clubs and I couldn't give a fuck about the the new elite/cartel clubs because THEY'RE EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME.

What are you so heated about if you DON'T GIVE A FUCK?

 

[editor]

Careful there editor , you're only a couple of steps away from sounding like a Leaver there

Hey, I'm just stepping back to admire that towering strawman you've just constructed. Nice work.

 

[editor]

What are you so heated about if you DON'T GIVE A FUCK?

Because I care about human rights. I care about the damage being done to football. I care that people are happy to brush aside real legitimate concerns about gay rights and women's rights just because their team has just bought their way to success.

 

[editor]

Never said it was good news for anybody other than City. As we've seen, it isn't good news for the old elite/cartel clubs who had been operating a de-facto closed shop in their own domestic leagues and European football for decades. In desperation, they now drop any pretence of fairness and reveal that it's an actual closed shop that they want.

You arguing that Man City''s 3rd title win in 4 seasons is some sort of victory for the elite outsiders and a win for fairness and breaking down closed shops really is something.

 

[RD2003]

Because I care about human rights. I care about the damage being done to football. I care that people are happy to brush aside real legitimate concerns about gay rights and women's rights just because their team has just bought their way to success.

City haven't bought their way to success, but have created it by using massive investment wisely. You'd think it was only City who ever spend money. Manyoo have, for instance, spent around a billion since whiskey nose retired and have little to show for it.

The damage done to football? That was done a long time before City came along. It was making it all about the money that attracted such owners in the first place, and not just to City. It's just that the best ones hit on City.

I'm glad you care about 'human rights' and gays and all that, especially the ones in countries you have no understanding of, and are prepared to constantly* rattle on about it from in front of your keyboard.


*Or at least when the subject of City comes up, but that's at least something...

 

[RD2003]

You arguing that Man City''s 3rd title win in 4 seasons is some sort of victory for the elite outsiders and a win for fairness and breaking down closed shops really is something.

You're losing the plot now, Mr Editor.

 

[tommers]

City haven't bought their way to success, but have created it by using massive investment wisely.

I have some sympathy for City, there really is no other way to do it but making out you're different is weird. You're the same. You're part of the cartel. You got invited to the SL. I mean, so what, but own it at least.

 

[editor]

City haven't bought their way to success, but have created it by using massive investment wisely.

Oh my Lord

 

[editor]

I'm glad you care about 'human rights' and gays and all that, especially the ones in countries you have no understanding of, and are prepared to constantly* rattle on about it from in front of your keyboard.


*Or at least when the subject of City comes up, but that's at least something...

Yes, because I've never ever mentioned those issues on any other thread here, ever.

 

[RD2003]

I have some sympathy for City, there really is no other way to do it but making out you're different is weird. You're the same. You're part of the cartel. You got invited to the SL. I mean, so what, but own it at least.

That's just the thing-nearly all fans of any other middle-ranking club would be exactly the same as City fans if it had been their club that got bought by the Sheikh. Or any club at all, actually.
Aside from that, where have I said that City are different?

 

[RD2003]

Oh my Lord

You're right, they haven't used it wisely. That's why they got relegated to the fourth tier after the Sheikh came in.

 

[pbsmooth]

City are not the same as United. United's revenue came from traditional revenue of being a popular, successful club, timed fortunately by the influx of cash around the formation of the Premier League. Similar to LIverpool. City became successful from money that was nothing to do with success on the pitch or fans, it just came from an outside source pumping money in. Like Blackburn in the 90s. And the same as if some other billionaire state bought, say, Crewe Alexandra.

 

[RD2003]

Yes, because I've never ever mentioned those issues on any other thread here, ever.

As I've said before, this man should be rewarded for his efforts at keyboard on behalf of the oppressed and exploited. A pat on the back? An OBE? A nice cup of Ovaltine and a hot water bottle?

 

[tommers]

City are not the same as United. United's revenue came from traditional revenue of being a popular, successful club, timed fortunately by the influx of cash around the formation of the Premier League. Similar to LIverpool. City became successful from money that was nothing to do with success on the pitch or fans, it just came from an outside source pumping money in. Like Blackburn in the 90s. And the same as if some other billionaire state bought, say, Crewe Alexandra.

Well, that and the deliberate re-organisation of the entire footballing structure to be specifically aimed at making the big clubs richer, ensuring that they dominate football forever. But yeah, the other stuff too I suppose.

God, that Super League nonsense just came out of nowhere didn't it?

 

[pbsmooth]

Well, that and the deliberate re-organisation of the entire footballing structure to be specifically aimed at making the big clubs richer, ensuring that they dominate football forever. But yeah, the other stuff too I suppose.

God, that Super League nonsense just came out of nowhere didn't it?

not sure how that's relevant to anything I've said. I'm talking about how City are different from the other top clubs - the cash, upon which they've built their success, is completely unrelated to the football club. unlike the other top clubs.

 

[pbsmooth]

City fans seem to have a real issue admitting they were a very mediocre div 1/2 side until they were bought by gazillionaires. it could have been anyone.

 

[tommers]

That's just the thing-nearly all fans of any other middle-ranking club would be exactly the same as City fans if it had been their club that got bought by the Sheikh. Or any club at all, actually.
Aside from that, where have I said that City are different?

Maybe. Depressingly that might be true. I made the mistake of looking at twitter when Ashley recently did something in court against the PL (I can't remember the details) cos the takeover by the Saudis was blocked. They all seemed to be all for being owned by the fucking Saudi royal family cos then they might buy Hazard or somebody similar.

Personally I would be happy with us in the Championship, but with no promotion. Get some decent young players, maybe an ageing cult hero up front. Perfect. There was talk on KUMB recently of us being taken over - opinion was split (I mean obviously most people want to get rid of the dildo brothers but lots didn't want that to be replaced by some Middle Eastern tyrants with loads of oil money).

 

[RD2003]

City are not the same as United. United's revenue came from traditional revenue of being a popular, successful club, timed fortunately by the influx of cash around the formation of the Premier League. Similar to LIverpool. City became successful from money that was nothing to do with success on the pitch or fans, it just came from an outside source pumping money in. Like Blackburn in the 90s. And the same as if some other billionaire state bought, say, Crewe Alexandra.

United, a club at the bottom of the Second Division on average gates of 11000 not long before WW2, became successful due to being bought out by a sugar daddy called James Gibson, who save the club from bankruptcy. After the war they were lucky enough to land a man who went on to prove himself one of the all-time great managers. They would have had their time in the sun and then it would have ended and they'd have been just another provincial city club with the usual ups and downs, but then came the tragedy of the air crash, which made them known and admired all over the world, the sympathy giving them the basis of a worldwide fan base which went on to bring in yet more cash when the PL went global.

As you say, it was fortunate that they were in a position to be a driving force behind the breakaway Premier League. They, along with others, with their monopoly of all the cash flowing in to an immovable top four and annual European qualification, were able to operate in a de-facto closed shop. Now, 'like Liverpool', they want an actual closed shop and have striven to keep out challengers who break in by the only possible route-massive investment. Without it, you don't have a prayer of challenging the elite, as other PL and formerly big clubs below the PL seem to be belatedly realising.

 

[RD2003]

City fans seem to have a real issue admitting they were a very mediocre div 1/2 side until they were bought by gazillionaires. it could have been anyone.

You don't know any City fans if that's what you really believe (which I doubt unless you're quite young or quite dumb.) In actual fact, when the Sheikh came along, City had re-established themselves in the top flight, where, as the records will tell you, they have spent the vast majority of their existence.