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Maybe. Depressingly that might be true. I made the mistake of looking at twitter when Ashley recently did something in court against the PL (I can't remember the details) cos the takeover by the Saudis was blocked. They all seemed to be all for being owned by the fucking Saudi royal family cos then they might buy Hazard or somebody similar.

Personally I would be happy with us in the Championship, but with no promotion. Get some decent young players, maybe an ageing cult hero up front. Perfect. There was talk on KUMB recently of us being taken over - opinion was split (I mean obviously most people want to get rid of the dildo brothers but lots didn't want that to be replaced by some Middle Eastern tyrants with loads of oil money).
It's really in the hands of the owners of clubs like yours. Will they continue to stand up to the big six, or will they bottle it and revert to being content with the crumbs oFf the big six's table?
 
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not sure how that's relevant to anything I've said. I'm talking about how City are different from the other top clubs - the cash, upon which they've built their success, is completely unrelated to the football club. unlike the other top clubs.
When a club gets investment, it is, in actual fact, absolutely related to that club, just as in any other business.

Was the money unrelated to the club when Gibson save United from going under, laying the foundations for future success? Was it unrelated to the club when any other outside investor they've had came in? Anybody would think that it's only City who ever received outside investment.
 
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Never said it was good news for anybody other than City. As we've seen, it isn't good news for the old elite/cartel clubs who had been operating a de-facto closed shop in their own domestic leagues and European football for decades. In desperation, they now drop any pretence of fairness and reveal that it's an actual closed shop that they want.
Man City. Breaking down the walls of the old elite/cartel clubs. Destroying the foundations of the de-facto closed shops. Refusing to be part of the major global teams displaying a pretence of fairness while revealing that it's an actual closed shop that they want.

Oh, wait.


 
Man City. Breaking down the walls of the old elite/cartel clubs. Destroying the foundations of the de-facto closed shops. Refusing to be part of the major global teams displaying a pretence of fairness while revealing that it's an actual closed shop that they want.

Oh, wait.


Haven't we already said that City, in partially destroying the old elite, did so in an effort to join it?

Any club seeks to get to the top, it's just that the opportunities to do so are usually beyond their grasp. Because of the monopoly of money at the top.

Nobody would argue that City haven't been lucky.
 
How have the 'old elite' been 'partially destroyed'?
By having their cosy arrangement of guaranteed annual top four qualification undermined by a newcomer (and other newcomers following in their wake even if not as consistently.) This hurts them financially-it is, we should not forget, primarily a big business operation we're talking about here, with a game and inconvenient people called supporters attached.) So first they hijack the misnamed Financial Fair Play scheme, transforming it from being primarily about debt into one which restricts investment into potential challengers. When that doesn't work, they drop all pretence and go for the coup represented by the ESL.
 
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By having their cosy arrangement of guaranteed annual top four qualification undermined by a newcomer (and other newcomers following in their wake even if not as consistently.) This hurts tjhem financially-it is, we should not foget, primnarily a big business operation we're talking about here, with a game and inconvienient people called supporters attached.) So first they hijack the misnamed Financial Fair Play scheme, transforming it from being primarily about debt into one which restricts investment into potential challengers. When that doesn't work, they drop all pretence and go for the coup represented by the ESL.
Nothing has been destroyed. The big clubs are still there with the only visible difference being that Man City have bought themselves a place at the table, and are happy to accept all that goes with it. All the things you say you don't like.

And, being a bunch of self interested greedy cunts, they gleefully put themselves forward to be part of the European Super League. Why you think they're any different to all the other greedy clubs totally eludes me.
 
It astounds me how you can go from missing the point in the first place, through arguing against phantoms for a page or two, and end up back at the point where you started.

Ah well.
 
It astounds me how you can go from missing the point in the first place, through arguing against phantoms for a page or two, and end up back at the point where you started.

Ah well.
It's not me tying myself up in knots while trying to assert some sort of moral superiority for my super-elite, super-rich, ESL-supporting football club. :D
 
It's not me tying myself up in knots while trying to assert some sort of moral superiority for my super-elite, super-rich, ESL-supporting football club. :D
In not a single post have I claimed moral superiority for anybody. After all, morality in football disappeared a long time ago, if it ever existed at all.

I would suggest that it's you, with your apparent need to be indignant about something, who has tied himself in knots, tripping over himself while lashing out at phantoms.
 
if you think the amount of money James Gibson put into United back in the dark ages, and the effect it had in relation to other clubs at the time, is even remotely comparable to what happened at City than you're more deluded than you seem. and you seem pretty deluded.
 
if you think the amount of money James Gibson put into United back in the dark ages, and the effect it had in relation to other clubs at the time, is even remotely comparable to what happened at City than you're more deluded than you seem. and you seem pretty deluded.
It's relative. It was a diferent game back then. For instance there was a maximum wage in place which, among other things, enabled small town clubs like Bolton, Blackburn,. Blackpool etc challenge at the top for periods. But the fact remains that United would have gone bankrupt without Gibson's money.
 
err yes, exactly (100k in today's money) - as I said, completely different and irrelevant to the point I was making. millions of similar examples over last nigh-on 100 years of football. are they similar to what's happened at city? no.
 
Because I care about human rights. I care about the damage being done to football. I care that people are happy to brush aside real legitimate concerns about gay rights and women's rights just because their team has just bought their way to success.

the damage was done - to English football anyway - when it became an outlet for thuggish behaviour and a counter-productive image reflected upon the working class.

I see no difference in the hyper-capitalism we in the UK have suffered under since the 80s and modern top league football. They both follow the same paradigm.

To be somewhat reductive, people stopped buying fish n veg at my Grandad's shop when the supermarkets monopolised the economy in the same way people stopped supporting the less 'fashionable' footy teams. Who is to blame?
 
To be somewhat reductive, people stopped buying fish n veg at my Grandad's shop when the supermarkets monopolised the economy in the same way people stopped supporting the less 'fashionable' footy teams. Who is to blame?
If only there were non-corporate, non billionaire-funded, less greedy football alternatives available. The kind of thing where the clubs were about the local community rather than feeding multinational profits, and the kind of set-ups where the fans weren't pushed aside in the quest for global deals...

Oh, wait....
 
City are not the same as United. United's revenue came from traditional revenue of being a popular, successful club, timed fortunately by the influx of cash around the formation of the Premier League. Similar to LIverpool. City became successful from money that was nothing to do with success on the pitch or fans, it just came from an outside source pumping money in. Like Blackburn in the 90s. And the same as if some other billionaire state bought, say, Crewe Alexandra.

that and floating themselves on the stock market.... durrr
 
If only there were non-corporate, non billionaire-funded, less greedy football alternatives available. The kind of thing where the clubs were about the local community rather than feeding multinational profits, and the kind of set-ups where the fans weren't pushed aside in the quest for global deals...

Oh, wait....

read back and I've stated I'm done. It's no fun anymore. Was for a bit after growing up in Manchester and being a blue, watching them win whilst we suffered and then the catharsis of it all. At least give us that.
 
read back and I've stated I'm done. It's no fun anymore. Was for a bit after growing up in Manchester and being a blue, watching them win whilst we suffered and then the catharsis of it all. At least give us that.
Why not support a non league club? When Cardiff City became the RedDragonBirds that was the final straw for me and corporate football (being asked to sit down at a FA Cup Final brought me close to the edge too), I started supporting my local non league team and have never looked back.

All the things that the Premier League and big money took away from the game can be found in abundance at grassroots level football.

And, unlike many big club 'supporters,' I actually go and watch my team play regularly and don't just funnel cash into Sky etc.
 
Missing the point. Nobody has argued that City's rise has resulted in 'a more level playing field,' as people like to put it (as if it could actually happen now.) Just that City have indeed broken up the cosy old elite while becoming one of a partly reconstituted elite themselves, albeit not without massive resistance from behind stage. It's doubtful that Leicester would have broken through in 2016 if the old top 4 were still intact.

This has put noses out of joint in the old elite, or more accurately cartel, who fondly imagine that they have a divine right to be at the top, unchallenged, forever, even if failing on the pitch and losing money through their own incompetence. Hence the latest attempt at a European Super League.

take a look at the list of trophy winners in the history of English footbal, it isn't that egalitarian is it. Notts Forest still in the top fifteen and Spurs are 8th
 
Why not support a non league club? When Cardiff City became the RedDragonBirds that was the final straw for me and corporate football (being asked to sit down at a FA Cup Final brought me close to the edge too), I started supporting my local non league team and have never looked back.

All the things that the Premier League and big money took away from the game can be found in abundance at grassroots level football.

And, unlike many big club 'supporters,' I actually go and watch my team play regularly and don't just funnel cash into Sky etc.

just wondering who to choose. Salford FC was my nearest club but... FC United fans don't want City fans. Rochdale near where my Nan retired to. All football league clubs though.

just to add, not been to the Etihad since 2010 when the stewards threw me out for smoking, yet on the way down the turret we passed several large groups of blokes doing the same thing.
 
just wondering who to choose. Salford FC was my nearest club but... FC United fans don't want City fans. Rochdale near where my Nan retired to. All football league clubs though.

just to add, not been to the Etihad since 2010 when the stewards threw me out for smoking, yet on the way down the turret we passed several large groups of blokes doing the same thing.
Bury have reformed as a fan run phoenix thing IIRC.
 
I'm glad you care about 'human rights' and gays and all that, especially the ones in countries you have no understanding of, and are prepared to constantly* rattle on about it from in front of your keyboard.

bit unfair to say that, fella
 
I think we can stop the whataboutism, we're all coming from the same position (or so it seems to me).

like I said, I'm done with the fanatacism. Just hope we win the CL final and I can bow out with dignity :D
 
playing, or have played, FC United soon/recently
Remember rumblings about how come the Nevilles didn't put their money there considering their dad was a lifelong part of the club but seems they preferred Salford as they could do what they wanted with it, similar to what we had with Dale Vince but in spades.
 
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