Man In The High Castle (tv show)

[Orang Utan]

It was

And yeah, we've taken over this thread with our negativity. However, I'm still prepared to give the TV show a go. TV can't have no plot - viewers wouldn't stand for it.

Actually, has there been a plotless TV show yet? Plenty of films have no plot, and of course books. But TV?

Twin Peaks' second season

 

[Fez909]

Twin Peaks' second season

I considered this, but the first season is still part of the show, and it definitely has a plot. So it doesn't count.

 

[Orang Utan]

I considered this, but the first season is still part of the show, and it definitely has a plot. So it doesn't count.

It doesn't really have a plot by the end. They abandon it pretty much by season 2

 

[Fez909]

It doesn't really have a plot by the end. They abandon it pretty much by season 2

I'm agreeing with you about S2 not having a plot, but you can't separate S1 and S2 and say they're different shows. S1 definitely has a plot, so TP doesn't count!

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm agreeing with you about S2 not having a plot, but you can't separate S1 and S2 and say they're different shows. S1 definitely has a plot, so TP doesn't count!

The second season DOES count though

 

[Fez909]

Hmm, yeah what I meant IIRC was probably that since it's afterwards been accepted into the mainstream literary canon of best 20th century novels etc. and is no longer mentioned as being SF, it's now regarded as 'just' a novel with some fantastical elements even though in the original context it was SF... if you know what i mean.

It's similar to Brave New World in that respect. It depicted a futuristic, technologically advanced society, but the main talking point is the social aspect, and so it gets talked about with the literary canon. It never gets described as sci-fi, either. "Dystopian fiction" is the usual label.

 

[Fez909]

The second season DOES count though

Are you misunderstanding what I'm saying or disagreeing with me when I say you can't separate them?

Twin Peaks is not two separate TV shows, split by season. It's one show, which started with a plot, and finished without one. So it's not a plotless TV show, even if nothing happened for a lot of it.

I think a better example would be Lost. Seven (?) series and fuck all happens. It never had a plot from day one.

 

[Orang Utan]

Are you misunderstanding what I'm saying or disagreeing with me when I say you can't separate them?

Twin Peaks is not two separate TV shows, split by season. It's one show, which started with a plot, and finished without one. So it's not a plotless TV show, even if nothing happened for a lot of it.

I think a better example would be Lost. Seven (?) series and fuck all happens. It never had a plot from day one.

I'm just saying that season 2 of Twin Peaks is plotless, so it counts as an example of a plotless tv show. Cos it is.

 

[Fez909]

 

[The39thStep]

Enjoyed the pilot , hope they release the series.

 

[DexterTCN]

This is interesting, if you like that sort of thing. The Aikido teacher who 'taught' Ms Davanos for her martial arts scenes.

http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24103

 

[DotCommunist]

Yay! its been bought for a whole series, so we wil be seeing more.

 

[SpookyFrank]

slaughtehouse 5 has time travel so by anones yardstick is SF

I often wondered if Vonnegut's fictional pulp SF writer Kilgore Trout wasn't somehow inspired by Philip K Dick.

 

[DotCommunist]

I often wondered if Vonnegut's fictional pulp SF writer Kilgore Trout wasn't somehow inspired by Philip K Dick.

right instinct wrong writer- Theodore Sturgeon

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Smells fishy to me

 

[DotCommunist]

trailer for the new series:

 

[Supine]

looks really good

 

[DotCommunist]

Episode 2 out now

its good

 

[binka]

I liked it. My main concern is that as this becomes popular Amazon decide to drag it out beyond it's natural life and I end up wasting six fucking years on this shit and they all end up being fucking dead and it was all some dream or purgatory or some bollocks and the smoke monster looked cool so who gives a fuck about an explanation

why did they release frank? surely it would have been easier to just shoot him? unless there are... ulterior... motives....

 

[DotCommunist]

you are concerned that a PK Dicks adapt might end up with nothing making sense or obeying its own internal logic?

 

[binka]

you are concerned that a PK Dicks adapt might end up with nothing making sense or obeying its own internal logic?

no that's all fine so long as it doesn't take six years

 

[rhod]

I gave up on Lost after the first episode, thanks to Channel 4 who were cramming in annoying ad breaks every 10 minutes.

Was probably the right decision.

 

[Reno]

I'm two episodes in and it's good.....I think. It's slow moving and I'm not sure I've ever seen a US TV show this relentlessly grim (episode 2 in particular!) but it's starting to draw me in. Haven't read the novel, I understand in terms of plot this is quite different, so not sure how it compares. Good to see Alexa Davalos in a lead role, have liked her since she had a memorable recurring role on Angel and then her career never quite took off. The two male leads are rather bland though.

Having a depression break and then on to episode 3 Was going to go out, but it's way too fucking cold, so Nazi dystopia night it is!

 

[Reno]

Episode 3 lost me a bit. Reminded me too much of the godawful Wayward Pines with the lead still being stuck in this sub-Twin Peaks small town. And that bloke from Torchwood and Bleak House pops up as a guest villain and overacts like crazy.

I just realised that the recent Disney kids flick Big Hero 6 was a more cheerful spin on exactly the same universe.

 

[tony.c]

I signed up for the free 30 day Amazon Prime trial on Thursday by accident, I was ordering a pair of boots. Anyway thought I might as well make the most of it to see what is on offer before I cancel when the 30 days is up. I've watched the first 3 episodes of Vikings Series 3, and when I saw that the Man in the High Castle was available from Friday I watched the first two episodes. I found it a bit slow too. I'll give episode 3 a watch but give up if it's not any better.

 

[Reno]

Got up to episode 4 which is a bit better than 3, but I'm now convinced the show isn't nearly as good as its concept. Not sure I can be bothered with much more, though will give it one more episode to see of it picks up again.

The best Amazon show I've seen so far is Transparent, which will be back for a second season in December. It's a drama/comedy rather than a genre show, but was my favourite TV series of the year.

 

[Teenage Cthulhu]

Watched the first two episodes last night and really struggled to finish the second episode. Awful dialogue and bad acting does not make up for the great set design or great story.

 

[Teenage Cthulhu]

And I can't remember two of the main characters in the TV show appearing in the books but it is 20 years since I picked up the book.

 

[Idris2002]

I gave up on Lost after the first episode, thanks to Channel 4 who were cramming in annoying ad breaks every 10 minutes.

Was probably the right decision.

Lost would have made a good Philip K. Dick novel. But telly is absolutely the wrong medium for PKD's brand of outsider-art paranoia, I think.

 

[DotCommunist]

Lost would have made a good Philip K. Dick novel. But telly is absolutely the wrong medium for PKD's brand of outsider-art paranoia, I think.

it works, so far. MITHC that is. I'm looking for a marked story improvement- in terms of action and/or pacing- by episode five though. Beautifully done in other respects, the set designs and weird mix of americana/nazi symbols is unsettling