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London Student protests - Wed 8th Dec+ Thurs 9th

Interesting New Scientist article on crowd control archived here, with direct reference to policing of protests:

The protests that took place on the streets of London on the eve of the G20 summit in April lived up to many people's expectations. Around 2000 protestors turned up, and were heavily marshalled by police. There was a bit of trouble, but the police tactics - specifically, the decision to corral the entire crowd into a small area near the Bank of England, an approach known as "kettling" - kept a lid on the violence.

That, at least, is the official version of events, and it reflects a belief about crowds that is shared by police, governments and to a large degree the general public across the world: that they are hotbeds of trouble and must be contained. Trouble is seen as especially likely when something goes wrong at a large gathering. Under such circumstances, the expectation is that the crowd will lose its head and all hell will break loose.

The "unruly mob" concept is usually taken as read and used as the basis for crowd control measures and evacuation procedures across the world. Yet it is almost entirely a myth. Research into how people behave at demonstrations, sports events, music festivals and other mass gatherings shows not only that crowds nearly always act in a highly rational way, but also that when facing an emergency, people in a crowd are more likely to cooperate than panic. Paradoxically, it is often actions such as kettling that lead to violence breaking out. Often, the best thing authorities can do is leave a crowd to its own devices.

"In many ways, crowds are the solution," says psychologist Stephen Reicher, who studies group behaviour at the University of St Andrews, UK. Rather than being prone to irrational behaviour and violence, members of a crowd undergo a kind of identity shift that drives them to act in the best interests of themselves and everyone around them. This identity shift is often strongest in times of danger or threat. "The 'mad mob' is not an explanation, but a fantasy," says Reicher.

All this has profound implications for policing and the management of public events. "The classic view of crowd psychology, which is still widespread, talks about the loss of selfhood, leaving people at best out of control and at worst generically violent," says Reicher. "That is not only wrong, it's also counterproductive. If you believe all crowds are irrational, and that even rational people are liable to be dangerous in them, then you'll treat them accordingly, often harshly, and stop people doing things they have a right to do. And that can lead to violence."

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http://www.sott.net/articles/show/189376-Why-cops-should-trust-the-wisdom-of-the-crowds
 
Mr McIntyre described what happened: “I was in Parliament Sq with my brother and we saw everyone running to one of the corners so we ran and made our way to the front.

“One policeman hit me with his baton in the shoulder then suddenly four or five of them picked me up, and dragged me from my chair. They carried me quite violently and against my will and put me on the pavement.

“Eventually after about 5 minutes, my brother was let through.

“What was even more shocking though, later on I had moved to the other side of Parliament Sq and I was sitting in my wheelchair in space in the middle of the road. A policeman recognised me from the earlier incident and came running over, pushed me out of my chair and dragged me across the road. This was completely unprovoked.”

http://www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/20...ice-as-dust-settles-on-student-demonstration/

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Ah shit.

It's from Anonymous - bound to be mirrored. I'll have a hunt.

(And yes - there was a list. Names, addresses, some email and Sjype accounts.)
 
"Police have been accused of attempting to prevent seriously injured protesters being treated at the same hospital as officers hurt during last week's tuition fees demonstration, igniting claims that one student's life could have been put at risk."

His mother added:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/12/police-injured-protester-hospital

but it is perfectly acceptable as DB has kindly explained to us all :facepalm: :(
makes me physically sick and again, fair play to the ambulance driver
 
I was wondering if the police action might also be complained about to the HSE as the police would have to justify their risk assessment for the event and if they've missed out well known research on crowds and reactions to kettles while this may not lead to prosecutions this time but in future demos they may be considered in breach of the act having not acted on scientific research if they go ahead in the same manner.
 
Some reactionary cunt called Paddick (a former police officer I believe) was just on the news calling for suspected protesters to be arrested before the next demo. :rolleyes:
 
I was wondering if the police action might also be complained about to the HSE as the police would have to justify their risk assessment for the event and if they've missed out well known research on crowds and reactions to kettles while this may not lead to prosecutions this time but in future demos they may be considered in breach of the act having not acted on scientific research if they go ahead in the same manner.

Good idea. I think I'll write a letter.
 
I noticed a distinct lack of Welsh addresses too, then it occurred to me that not many WDL members would have been buying England-themed clothing. Maybe the St David's flag stuff is done separately?

1 abergele and 1 conwy, someone says they found someone in st mellons who bought merch alledgedly
 
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