Liz Truss’s time is up

[Wilf]

Anyway at what point does boris johnson make his 'this wouldn't have happened if you'd let me stay on' claim?

 

[Wilf]

Anyway at what point does boris johnson make his 'this wouldn't have happened if you'd let me stay on' claim?

'If I can have some new wallpaper, I'll consider coming back'.

 

[brogdale]

Anyway at what point does boris johnson make his 'this wouldn't have happened if you'd let me stay on' claim?

More seriously, Sunak can pretty genuinely claim to have told the tories that this would all happen if Truss was given free rein

 

[cupid_stunt]

Apparently tory party rules prevent a no-confidence vote in the first 12 months of any new leader taking over.

Of course, they could change the rules.

 

[Pickman's model]

Apparently tory party rules prevent a no-confidence vote in the first 12 months of any new leader taking over.

Of course, they could change the rules.

But they won't.

 

[Chilli.s]

Apparently tory party rules prevent a no-confidence vote in the first 12 months of any new leader taking over.

Great news! All the younguns having this example of why to never vote tory, fantastic.

 

[kebabking]

But they won't.

They may talk about changing the rules, so they don't have to...

Brady simply (simply!) has to tell Truss and the CW that a majority of BB MP's have expressed a desire to change the rules and to then force her out - he'd be offering her the opportunity to set her affairs in order and to resign, rather than face the ignominy of having the rules changed specifically in order to force her out (PM for 3 weeks).

She'll probably fight it out, because she's a massive egotist and because she'll bet that Tory MP's think that the electorate won't react well to three PM's in one parliament - but if this stuff keeps happening, and a third of Tory MP's think they'll lose their seats, and another third think they'll be out of power for a decade, then the bets are off.

They aren't as ruthless as they used to be, but they still do self-interest...

 

[brogdale]

knee-jerk

 

[Rimbaud]

The liberal left celebrated the demise of Johnson as 'the worst PM ever, only to find itself confronted two months later by the new 'worst PM ever'. Any successful resistance or challenge isn't going to come from miles off reductive portrayal's of her as thick or out of her depth. It can only be built on an understanding of what is going on and the inevitable consequences of it.

Tbh, I'd say our PMs genuinely have gotten progressively worse since Brown.

Thatcher, Major, Blair and Brown, regardless of what you think of their politics, were at least serious and competent politicians who did their homework.

The decline of talent and seriousness within politics and its descent into a circus is not a phenomena limited to the UK, and it is worthy of analysis. I would hypothesise that it is related to the decline of political party membership and civil society organisations, a cultural change where nobody wants to be a politician driven at least in part by relentless monstering of the public sector by corporate media, and the reduction of politics since Blair era to focus groups and populism over substantial policies and social movements.

 

[teuchter]

And, as a matter of interest, why would you make that particular distinction at this present time?

Is it because I'm a thinly disguised, rabid Truss fan with a vendetta against the bell-stand industry?

 

[steveo87]

knee-jerk

At least she's alive.

 

[Pickman's model]

Tbh, I'd say our PMs genuinely have gotten progressively worse since Brown.

Thatcher, Major, Blair and Brown, regardless of what you think of their politics, were at least serious and competent politicians who did their homework.

The decline of talent and seriousness within politics and its descent into a circus is not a phenomena limited to the UK, and it is worthy of analysis. I would hypothesise that it is related to the decline of political party membership and civil society organisations, a cultural change where nobody wants to be a politician driven at least in part by relentless monstering of the public sector by corporate media, and the reduction of politics since Blair era to focus groups and populism over substantial policies and social movements.

Yeh it's been under discussion in this country for more than 20 years, the rise of the political class. The way they've gone to oxbridge, studied most commonly ppe and ever since worked for a political party before becoming an mp. Seriously there are books going back to the start of the century looking at the phenomenon, really surprised Peter Oborne etc have passed you by

 

[Kaka Tim]

Kwarting surely has to go - the markets and the IMF have got the government's bollocks in a crusher. If they plough on then the chaos will only accelerate. So the budget will have to be reversed - and KK booted out. And that utterly shreds Truss's authority (which was shaky anyway). Tory Mps (and some in the cabinet) might judge that damange limitation is the best bet and get her the fuck out ASAP and install Sunak via a palace coup (like what happend to IDS) - also Johnson was not forced out by a confidence vote - it was mass resignations). Not saying that will happen - but I think its defitienly within the realm of "reasonable possibility" .
They are utterly fucked. A tragi-comic laughing stock.

And every hour Truss fails to appear and make a statmenet is making it worse. Im still gobsmacked by whats happening (as are many commentators - and varous big hitting finaincial cunts). It utterly through the looking glass stuff. And why the fuck didnt starmer tear them a new arsehole? - this is waaaaayy beyond your normal level of fuck up and cuntishness. We're through the looking glass.

 

[elbows]

Yeh it's been under discussion in this country for more than 20 years, the rise of the political class. The way they've gone to oxbridge, studied most commonly ppe and ever since worked for a political party before becoming an mp. Seriously there are books going back to the start of the century looking at the phenomenon, really surprised Peter Oborne etc have passed you by

Theres also a problem with their ideological preferences being incompatible with some of the core inevitabilities of this century.

For example if you look at the full ramifications of the transition required due to climate change and energy issues this century, once the low hanging fruit has been done, the next set of actions renders much of the shit we've had in the last 40+ years woefully out of step.

 

[Wilf]

They may talk about changing the rules, so they don't have to...

Brady simply (simply!) has to tell Truss and the CW that a majority of BB MP's have expressed a desire to change the rules and to then force her out - he'd be offering her the opportunity to set her affairs in order and to resign, rather than face the ignominy of having the rules changed specifically in order to force her out (PM for 3 weeks).

She'll probably fight it out, because she's a massive egotist and because she'll bet that Tory MP's think that the electorate won't react well to three PM's in one parliament - but if this stuff keeps happening, and a third of Tory MP's think they'll lose their seats, and another third think they'll be out of power for a decade, then the bets are off.

They aren't as ruthless as they used to be, but they still do self-interest...

I'm not too sure about this. It's now become a thing that you fight on in the face of a vonc though, I suspect, tory MPs would probably take sunak 'by acclamation' if truss was to pack it in. But for now, I think it's the economic madness and her inability to even appear in public that's the issue. If Labour manage a 20%+ lead... if the tory conference goes nuts... all that stuff might do for her and I doubt it will ever get to a rule change, threatened or actual. Some big demos this weekend will help.

Having said all that, I think she'll lead them into the next election. Kwarteng is almost certainly toast.

 

[Kaka Tim]

yeah -

I'm not too sure about this. It's now become a thing that you fight on in the face of a vonc though, I suspect, tory MPs would probably take sunak 'by acclamation' if truss was to pack it in. But for now, I think it's the economic madness and her inability to even appear in public that's the issue. If Labour manage a 20%+ lead... if the tory conference goes nuts... all that stuff might do for her and I doubt it will ever get to a rule change, threatened or actual. Some big demos this weekend will help.

Having said all that, I think she'll lead them into the next election. Kwarteng is almost certainly toast.

yeah - the opinion polling is going to be very grim reading for the torys. It woulds be funny if it wasnt for the damage this is going to do to us.

 

[Wilf]

Seem to remember johnson appointed ministers who were pretty much juggling acceptance and resignation letters. We must be close to that point again.

 

[brogdale]

How come no-one's yet posted up that Joy Division song yet?

 

[steveo87]

Transmission?

 

[agricola]

knee-jerk

Well that phone call didn't go well then, at least judging by how that tweet was worded.

 

[Raheem]

Confusion in her eyes that says it all...

 

[Wilf]

Just about the only chance they have would be dragging sunak in and him repeating his 'I know how to add up and I'm not like that loon' message. If they could somehow magic that up in the next 24 hours I'd have Lab and Con as neck and neck for the next election, almost entirely on grounds of kieth's shitness. As always, in politics, there's not always an easy way to get to where you think you should be, so sunak will be left looking 'competent' in Yorkshire.

 

[Artaxerxes]

At least she's alive.

I have yet to see proof of life

 

[Kaka Tim]

Remember the days of yore (three weeks ago) when sundry commentators were telling us not to underestimate Liz Truss? They were more right then they knew. Just not in the way they meant.

 

[Supine]

knee-jerk

She’ll be taking out a mortgage so we can donate two bullets to Ukraine at this rate

 

[agricola]

Yeh it's been under discussion in this country for more than 20 years, the rise of the political class. The way they've gone to oxbridge, studied most commonly ppe and ever since worked for a political party before becoming an mp. Seriously there are books going back to the start of the century looking at the phenomenon, really surprised Peter Oborne etc have passed you by

he doesn't have the best record of predictions, but that book was emphatically proved correct by events

 

[Wilf]

Has a leader's address to the tory conference ever been delivered from the inside of a fridge?

 

[Wilf]

She’ll be taking out a mortgage so we can donate two bullets to Ukraine at this rate

'Donate your energy bill rebate to the Ukraine! Or perhaps get King Charles a new pen set'.

 

[Kaka Tim]

background chatter - but still - fucking hell! 3 weeks in.

 

[steveo87]

I have yet to see proof of life

I was thinking that as soon as I posted to be fair.