Life after the SWP?
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
God, you're thick. And tedious.
As IV is impossible to read*, no one has ever been able to confirm or deny whether they held any position on anything ever.
* Winner of 'Most Boring Publication on the UK Left' from 1957 until 1979, when the category was retired on the grounds that no one else could possibly ever win it.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Belboid and Fisher Gate: don't take this the wrong way, but the one good thing about the demise of the left in this country is there is no new supply of people like you.
When the left rises from the ashes, you'll be part of the ashes
When the left rises from the ashes, you'll be part of the ashes
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
LIAR!!!
No, really, the future please...
that was a different subject!!!
tedious pedants will always be with you!
liampreston
Spend time, not money
There will be no-one left to fill in the Lefist Family Tree!
: shock :
: shock :
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
we'll preserve it as a folk memory don't worry.
In time, our children's children will wonder whether it was all just legend...
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
lol! You're such a prick... go on, remind me of where I chatted on about Jack Straw's radical action post-'68?
Just accept you once again misguaged - it's much more dignified.
Jack Straw did what!!?
In the mid-seventies I was one of a group of shop stewards occupyng our Blackburn workplace. The event was nationally published. Good old Jack was then being groomed by Blackburn's sitting MP (Barbra Castle). Feelers were put out to Jack to visit but he felt it would "reflect badly" on his election campaign.
Come on!
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Post number 7
"Jack Sodding Straw did more radical things in the 70s than the far left can do today"
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=8486771&postcount=7
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Thank you - Straw's record is widely known and I am grateful to you for confirming at least one aspect of it.
Das Uberdog lived only a few miles away from Blackburn, but since he has never spoken to anyone who would know anything like the history you do, because he has lived the whole of his political life in the hermetic bubble where truth and fiction blur known as the SWP, one sometimes have to feel sorry for his imbecility.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
Oh yeah, I'm sorry you win.
I will never be able to comprehend how much pleasure you get from pedantically proving unimportant things I say wrong, Fishy, but from here I would be easy to imagine you furiously wanking into a sock right now.
I will never be able to comprehend how much pleasure you get from pedantically proving unimportant things I say wrong, Fishy, but from here I would be easy to imagine you furiously wanking into a sock right now.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
And Frampton - my entire point was that Jack Straw was not an example of radicalism, whether or not he had done some 'radical stuff'. I'm sick of repeating myself. I wish people would learn to read.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
I'm 19, but went to Blackburn College and have had plenty enough experience with Straw to know what a slimy bastard he is.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
IV was launched in 1978 so it couldn't actually win that title - but I think the annual version of that award was probably won 15 times 1964-1979 by a newspaper called 'Militant'.
Before 1978 International Viewpoint was called Inprecor (International Press Correspondence).
Nor was it a UK publication - it was published in Paris and printed in then Czechoslovakia. The majority of it is translated from languages other than English which means that sometimes the style leaves something to be desired, but it's a cracking good read online:
http://internationalviewpoint.org/
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
I wish you would learn to write and not just make stuff up ... your entire point was that Jack Straw had done some 'radical stuff' in the 70s.
My entire point was that he had not - you got the wrong guy. But hey, it's only the true history of the labour movement in Britain - who cares about that when there's points to be made on behalf of the SWP?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Alongside people who like their facts to be true.
The actual subject of the thread is not Respect, it is the demise of the SWP. The SWP is at its lowest for many years but will probably just continue to exist in a reduced way as a publishing organ in the form of Socialist Worker and Socialist Review. The CC will be reduced by at least one and up to four if supporters of Rees take a walk - but I doubt this latter bit. The annual Marxism will probably continue but perhaps reduced to a long weekend as the membership numbers mean a reduced pot of money for organising. The presence of SW placards on demos will probably be reduced as well. They won't have the money to keep up the previous effort.
The parliamentary election work of the SWP will I hope cease altogether. They do not have a clue about electoral politics. Both Respect parties will go under I think without the foot soldiers of the SWP being drafted in to the constituencies and wards where they had support at the last elections.
The parliamentary election work of the SWP will I hope cease altogether. They do not have a clue about electoral politics. Both Respect parties will go under I think without the foot soldiers of the SWP being drafted in to the constituencies and wards where they had support at the last elections.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Yes. Manchester is doing quite nicely now.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
I was agreeing with you until the last sentence. There is only one Respect and it will now start to grow again because there is still a need for a left wing electoral alternative to New Labour - the SWP's 'I-can't-believe-it's-not-Respect' aka Left Alternative, will hopefully be put out of its misery early in the new year.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
*yawn*
Ironic that someone who couches all their criticisms of me in terms of my brash, youthful arrogance is so anally immature himself.
Do you actually think that I was just writing guff for the sake of seeing my post stuck up on the wall, or is there not the slight possibility that I was using Straw as an example of someone who has, in his time, been involved in 'more radical acts' than the SWP has the contemporary political climate in order to dismiss the argument that 'doing radical stuff' is what makes you politically hardcore?
You're a political anus.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Um, I don't mean to sound picky, but isn't the raison d'etre of a group that purports to be 'revolutionary' and 'radical' to actually go out and DO some things that are, well, actually revolutionary and radical?
Something which the SWP seem to have signally failed to do, I notice.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
oh my gosh, I'm not sure I can cope with the depth and detail of your analysis!!
you only know what you read in their press releases don't you? Getting ants from the Antarctic would less of a waste of time than trying to get a political comment out of you.
audiotech
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The SWP, along with others, mobilised a million plus people on the streets of London. That is doing some. It then took the radical decision to try and drag the knumbskulls of the far left out of their political ghetto. Then the SWP have a radical thought to assist in building a political left alternative to Labour.
What do fruitbats like you do? Have a camping holiday and a ruck with the police. Very wadical.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
The movement dictates how radical your actions can/should be. The Party shouldn't be committing anything vastly more outrageous than that which the general public at large would see as legitimate and/or partake in themselves. Ideally, it's all them and we're just agitating it.
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