Life after the SWP?

[butchersapron]

why are you always telling people what to do?

Higher consciousness. Suck it up.

 

[chilango]

The expansion of capitalist relations across the whole territory of society leads to the factory being extended across society - that in conditions of the world market surplus value production takes place in circulation or reproduction - across the whole circuit of capital. It's a perspective that is based on the centrality and necessity of class struggle not its rejection - if anything it is more central than in these 30s/70s derived dreams. And it's what has left workerist clowns floundering, pretending this the idea means that there is no working class, or that everyone is working class or related nonsenses.

Thanks!

I'm trying to find a good, short, text about this, but am struggling...

 

[butchersapron]

OK, so where does this lead us in terms of the way or ways in which we carry out class struggle?

First off, to the recognition that class struggle doesn't taker place by accredited people saying we're going to do some class struggle - that there are unrecognised forms of self-organisation (at work, at home, in the community) by groups of people classically seen as powerless or secondary in the class struggle that can have as large an impact on the total circulation of capital in current conditions and so concentrating on this work is not to abandon the class struggle but to expand it.

Secondly, it might get the dregs of 1917 into the late 20th century.

 

[frogwoman]

means don't leave it all to the "advanced layers" who may not be all that advanced ...

 

[xslavearcx]

Thanks!

I'm trying to find a good, short, text about this, but am struggling...

Dont read capital volume 2 - its about the whole circuit of capital thing, but its not short, and its like repeatedly sticking pins in ones eyes at 100 rpm

 

[andysays]

First off, to the recognition that class struggle doesn't taker place by accredited people saying we're going to do some class struggle - that there are unrecognised forms of self-organisation (at work, at home, in the community) by groups of people classically seen as powerless or secondary in the class struggle that can have as large an impact on the total circulation of capital in current conditions and so concentrating on this work is not to abandon the class struggle but to expand it.

Examples?

First off, to the recognition that class struggle doesn't taker place by accredited people saying we're going to do some class struggle - that there are unrecognised forms of self-organisation (at work, at home, in the community) by groups of people classically seen as powerless or secondary in the class struggle that can have as large an impact on the total circulation of capital in current conditions and so concentrating on this work is not to abandon the class struggle but to expand it.

Secondly, it might get the dregs of 1917 into the late 20th century.

Surely, at the very least, our ambition now should be leaving the 20th Century?

 

[butchersapron]

Examples?

Struggles around health, housing and education in 70s italy

Surely, at the very least, our ambition now should be leaving the 20th Century?

Ours might be, they lag along a bit at the back. Don't rush them.

 

[chilango]

Dont read capital volume 2 - its about the whole circuit of capital thing, but its not short, and its like repeatedly sticking pins in ones eyes at 100 rpm

Would need to finish Vol. 1 first.

(Okay, okay. Would need to START Vol. 1 first!)

 

[xslavearcx]

Examples?

The london riots.... that prevented the conversion of commodity capital into money capital

 

[chilango]

Struggles around health, housing and education in 70s italy



Ours might be, they lag along a bit at the back. Don't rush them.

Some stuff here: http://libcom.org/library/italy-1960s-70s-reading-guide

 

[xslavearcx]

Would need to finish Vol. 1 first.

(Okay, okay. Would need to START Vol. 1 first!)

i spent a year and a half reading volume 1. sometimes i would read quite a bit of it, sometimes id not read any of it for a couple of weeks. that paced worked for me.

Did volume 2 in a reading group and it was a nightmare trying to do it the pace that the group had kinda set it at. Got about 3/4 the way though it, but i know for a fact ill never give it a go again.

 

[butchersapron]

Some stuff here: http://libcom.org/library/italy-1960s-70s-reading-guide

If only i had had enough money to keep my site going

 

[SpineyNorman]

OK, please tell me more about you involvement in the UNITE Community thing. I see you're in Sheffield, I'm in London.

In return, I promise I'll shut up about how I don't like football

Send us a PM if you like mate. I might not be able to get back to you for a couple of days though. From what I can gather there's a fair bit going on in London but I guess with a city as big as that it depends whereabouts you are. Can definitely tell you more about the union and what we do, and I should be able to put you in touch with someone in your area.

IMO it has the potential to be the most positive important initiative the unions have taken since the miners strike and it's actually beginning to take off properly, whereas to begin with it was being carried by the usual suspects. I'm looking at the bedroom tax as something we can have a positive influence on and start to build branches around so if you're wanting to help shape the direction the community section goes in now is probably the time to get involved.

I'm rambling now so I'll shut my gob but if you send us a PM we'll see what we can sort out.

 

[andysays]

Struggles around health, housing and education in 70s italy

Pardon my ignorance - could you expand on these and on whether/how they are relevant to us in Britain today.

Ours might be, they lag along a bit at the back. Don't rush them.

"The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom. Ours is the best effort so far towards leaving the 20th century"

 

[chilango]

If only i had had enough money to keep my site going

There no way you could do it via Wordpress or some kinda free hosting like weebly or wix?

 

[butchersapron]

Pardon my ignorance - could you expand on these and on whether/how they are relevant to us in Britain today.



"The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom. Ours is the best effort so far towards leaving the 20th century"

Got the situ quote, was suggesting that this was where the 1917 left are left. The working class was forced to move into the 21st century.

Well, do we have struggles over the social wage in this country? Does the total social age effect capital? Are they now attacking the social wage as their #1 priority?

 

[chilango]

Pardon my ignorance - could you expand on these and on whether/how they are relevant to us in Britain today.



"The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom. Ours is the best effort so far towards leaving the 20th century"

Have a look thru' the ones on the link I posted. Some better than others I'm sure. But stories of mass self-reduction on rents, fares, utilities etc. stand out in my memory.

 

[butchersapron]

There no way you could do it via Wordpress or some kinda free hosting like weebly or wix?

There is now to be honest. I should do that.

 

[TremulousTetra]

The london riots.... that prevented the conversion of commodity capital into money capital

and?

 

[SpineyNorman]

means don't leave it all to the "advanced layers" who may not be all that advanced ...

Speak for yourself mate, I'm advanced to fuck!

 

[chilango]

There is now to be honest. I should do that.

Yes. You should. As always, give us a shout if you want a hand.

 

[andysays]

Send us a PM if you like mate.

Is that through the "Profile Posts" bit in your profile? Still a new boy checking how this stuff works...

 

[butchersapron]

Yes. You should. As always, give us a shout if you want a hand.

Cheers, still so many texts to do. I think most of them that were on line have been taken up elsewhere now - but most of them places just collect stuff, they don't put new stuff on-line.

 

[andysays]

Have a look thru' the ones on the link I posted.

Will do - thanks for the suggestion

 

[frogwoman]

Speak for yourself mate, I'm advanced to fuck!

you're probably right, fuck knows where my consciousness levels are at the moment

 

[love detective]

Did volume 2 in a reading group and it was a nightmare trying to do it the pace that the group had kinda set it at. Got about 3/4 the way though it, but i know for a fact ill never give it a go again.

You probably don't want to hear that the bit that you didn't get to, the final quarter/final part is by far the biggest head fuck of Volume 2!

You should give it another go though, Vol2 is very much underrated/overlooked/under appreciated

 

[chilango]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=VOXw1xz-c8w&desktop_uri=/watch?v=VOXw1xz-c8w

 

[SpineyNorman]

Is that through the "Profile Posts" bit in your profile? Still a new boy checking how this stuff works...

It's not but don't worry about it - I'll send you a PM when I've got time to go into it (probably Friday, I'm just stupidly busy right now) and you'll get an alert so you shouldn't have any trouble figuring out how to reply. I'd normally have a chat with you right away, I'm not meaning to be rude, but I've got a deadline I need to meet and there's 4 years work riding on it so I can't take much time away from it - shouldn't be on here at all really but I can't help myself.

 

[october_lost]

No.

You have to be in a relationship, not a political one.

"These people"? You know how that sounds?

..and we're already in struggle. What are you waiting for?

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[barney_pig]

I have a friend, a lovely woman, who sincerely believes in new age stuff, and who has recently 'qualified' in the practice of Reki massage. All her withering about power nodes and hot rocks and the like are more convincing than the notion that giving a 19 yo student a party card and a bundle of socialist workers magically imbibes them with a higher level of consciousness.