Lib Dem Polls - How Low Can They Go?

[belboid]

have we not had the poll from Sheffield Hallam? Clegg to lose to Labour by 10%, and could even come third behind the tories.

I dont really beleive it, but it'd be nice - http://survation.com/poll-in-nick-cleggs-sheffield-hallam-constituency-survationunite/

 

[brogdale]

have we not had the poll from Sheffield Hallam? Clegg to lose to Labour by 10%, and could even come third behind the tories.

I dont really beleive it, but it'd be nice - http://survation.com/poll-in-nick-cleggs-sheffield-hallam-constituency-survationunite/

I posted it in the polling thread..didn't think about this one.

Don't believe it? You sound like Clegg!
I'd imagine that Survation will be dis-chuffed with Clegg's comment that they've produced a biased poll for their union client.

 

[belboid]

it's miles out from any other poll, and has the tories madly high too. It's wrong. It's still bloody funny tho

 

[killer b]

What other recent polls are there of cleggs constituency?

 

[kabbes]

I have a horrid confession to make. APART from his LibDemishness , I actually like Greg Mulholland -- his CAMRA supporting, pub protecting, ale-favouring credentials are seriously impeccable -- as a CAMRA activist (mostly practical activism, mind ) I do know a fair bit about this.

There's some Labour and even Tory MPs who are pretty good on that specific subject, but ale-wise, Mulholland's up there with the best in politics. ONLY ale-wise, obvs.

Glad I don't live and vote in Leeds NW (any more -- I voted there in 1987, when it was still Tory )
If I was, I'd be confronted by my one and only Lib Dem related conundrum.

I'd still vote Labour there no doubt, just as I did 27 years ago , but ....

You'd actually consider voting for someone just because he likes beer?

Nigel Farage is calling...

 

[belboid]

What other recent polls are there of cleggs constituency?

there were the actual elections (lib/lab neck and neck) as well as the national polls which dont reflect anything like the result shown. Ashcroft did one as well which had Clegg winning by a small percentage.

 

[butchersapron]

it's miles out from any other poll, and has the tories madly high too. It's wrong. It's still bloody funny tho

Constituency polls don't always follow national polling though - these figures are pretty much the same as the Oakeshott poll found in the seat last year - that had lab/lib-dem 33/22 -this one has 33/23. The Ashcroft did a poll at the end of last year which was 31/28 to Lib-dems - and they all had the tories around 20%. So that's all three suggesting Clegg is in trouble.

 

[kabbes]

Clegg is loathed. I wouldn't be surprised to see a swing away from him personally that is bigger than the swing away from the Lib Dems generally. He is 2015's Portillo.

 

[Dogsauce]

I wouldn't directly map local election results onto the constituency seat, it's often affected by the profile of local candidates, and furthermore the people who vote in Euros/council elections are likely to be a different demographic to those in a national one.

The 'green surge' of the last few months might also be inflicting damage on the lib dem vote compared to earlier assessments, though it's suggested that's hitting Labour so who knows.

It'd be a good Portillo moment, though I'd be happier if it was someone like Hunt or Shapps getting humiliated because they're more of the smug self-regarding cunt types than Clegg (don't think either is a possibility).

 

[butchersapron]

Some sensible commentary on the poll - in brief, could be right, could be wrong - daft to dismiss it though as we just don't know. Just as daft to take it as hard fact.

 

[Kaka Tim]

danny alexander ang clegg both losing their seats would be pretty delicious. How late would we have to stay up to see cleggs puffy faced, teary eyed, losers speech at the shefield hallam count?

 

[butchersapron]

danny alexander ang clegg both losing their seats would be pretty delicious. How late would we have to stay up to see cleggs puffy faced, teary eyed, losers speech at the shefield hallam count?

They're passing a new law to speed up counts for the next election.

 

[kabbes]

Some sensible commentary on the poll - in brief, could be right, could be wrong - daft to dismiss it though as we just don't know. Just as daft to take it as hard fact.

Very interesting. Especially how the raw numbers were so similar.

 

[brogdale]

To all you doubters and knockers...look how high they were today...

They were in Shanglri-La

 

[William of Walworth]

I have a horrid confession to make. APART from his LibDemishness , I actually like Greg Mulholland -- his CAMRA supporting, pub protecting, ale-favouring credentials are seriously impeccable -- as a CAMRA activist (mostly practical activism, mind ) I do know a fair bit about this.

There's some Labour and even Tory MPs who are pretty good on that specific subject, but ale-wise, Mulholland's up there with the best in politics. ONLY ale-wise, obvs.

Glad I don't live and vote in Leeds NW (any more -- I voted there in 1987, when it was still Tory )
If I was, I'd be confronted by my one and only Lib Dem related conundrum.

I'd still vote Labour there no doubt, just as I did 27 years ago , but ....

You'd actually consider voting for someone just because he likes beer?

Nigel Farage is calling...

No he isn't. He drinks Greene King IPA

In public photo-ops

Please forgive the following image :

Shared by the excellent Attila the Stockbroker who has fairly recently written/ranted a poem about Farage and his rubbish 'beer' choice -- can't find that one right now, but you'd appreciate the anti-GK point (as well as the much more anti-UKIP one )

Most of my CAMRA compadres also hate Farage's attempts to ride on the back of the proper beer cause. Uselessly, given his rubbish beer selections ... and given his preparedness to stand in front of patriotically UK-manufactured Carlsberg banners ... but still!

And, please note my last sentence in the post you quoted ....

 

[kabbes]

You'd consider it though. Because he likes the beer you like.

 

[William of Walworth]

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[kabbes]

Not trying to get at you at all; I just find it a very odd statement is all.

 

[William of Walworth]

Just remember that's it's perfectly consistent to love ale and hate Farage at the same time ....

Is all

 

[William of Walworth]

Plus, not too inconsistent to appreciate (very reluctantly) that one particular Lib Scum MP's record on a specific subject is acceptable, even praiseworthy , while also feeling sick (to the point of choking on it ) about any idea of actually voting for him or them

I moved away from Leeds nearly 28 years ago to avoid that ethical 'dilemma'

 

[killer b]

I think it's just the idea that beer might sway you in any way at all in your voting intentions is a bit mad, really. Which is what you seemed to be saying about Mulholland.

 

[William of Walworth]

His record on beer (also pubs) is pretty damned good. His identity as a Lib Dem is shit.

Sane (ish) reaction as a long-term CAMRA activist -- but one who would never vote LD or Tory. Including not for Mulholland, as I posted originally -- but perhaps not clearly enough ....

 

[killer b]

you said you'd be faced with a conundrum if you had the option of voting for him.

 

[kabbes]

It just seems like a bizarre thing to even mention. Like saying he is nice to his Mum, or that he gives a lot to the local animal charity. It has nothing to do with his politics.

 

[William of Walworth]

you said you'd be faced with a conundrum if you had the option of voting for him.

And gave an answer to that. Further clarified subsequently.

 

[William of Walworth]

It just seems like a bizarre thing to even mention.

Not for a CAMRA activist.

And I'd have to look back, but I think I was prompted by a previous post.

 

[kabbes]

Not for a CAMRA activist.

That really is taking single issue politics to a whole new level!

 

[killer b]

I was a CAMRA activist for almost 20 years. It's a bizarre thing to mention, apart from perhaps for the most idiot tickers.

 

[William of Walworth]

That really is taking single issue politics to a whole new level!

Luckily in these just-about post-Victorian times, good beer, even free beer, could never actually buy my vote

 

[William of Walworth]

I was a CAMRA activist for almost 20 years. It's a bizarre thing to mention, apart from perhaps for the most idiot tickers.

My earlier post was an accurate summary of Mulholland's record on that one issue.

Shall we leave it at that for now? I've clarified several times that my theoretical 'dilemma'/'conundrum' was no more than notional.

As for idiot tickers, I dismiss them. They can be the bane of our lives at our festival.