It doesn't surprise me a cheap insult comes to hand, they seem the tool of your trade.
Lib Dem Polls - How Low Can They Go?
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It doesn't surprise me a cheap insult comes to hand, they seem the tool of your trade.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I didn't know the LibDems had their own versions of BushBots.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Still, hated though Porter is, he's still probably more popular with students than the Lib Dems.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
OMG numbers!!
It'd odd how cuts on Hospitals, Schools and services = defence of Hospitals, Schools and services.
Sing cuckoo sing
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Why should I expend more effort than is needed, you humourless misanthrope?
Louis MacNeice
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You think he might come 6th or something and lose his deposit?
magneze
🎧
Indeed. I never realised that too much funding was the issue all along.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Indeed. I never realised that too much funding was the issue all along.
In order to save the village, it was necessary to destroy it
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Here's what you'd want if you weren't a tory in all but name:STEEPLY PROGRESSIVE TAXATION
Here's what you'd know if you weren't economically illiterate; Cuts = recession = fewer tax receipts.
Here's what you'd also know,were you not so ignorant:1945-1970,Britain had far GREATER(inflation-adjusted) debt,more public spending-and a boom.
Yet again,you're talking utter shit
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Nice numbers
Shame the sentence after it makes about as much sense as your dear leaders podium thumping delusions from Sunday.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
One,at least
I agree taxation should be progressive, which is why I strongly support increasing the tax threshold to £10K and strongly oppose the VAT increase and inheritance tax reductions. I don't think you can simply raid corporate profits as a solution to problems though, as this would lead to exodus of business, and less capital to invest in getting the economy going.
Strong cuts can increase the likelihood of a recession, I don't think these cuts are as massive as some people make out. After all we are only plugging the deficit, not tackling existing debt. Mostly they will stabilise public spending at around 2007 levels, rather than having public spending as a percentage of GDP increase every year. However a sovereign debt crisis can also cause a recession as we saw in Greek economy. It's madness to say to say that we should just keep borrowing further if it means extending the public sector beyond the size that can be supported by the private sector. When that debt is due, you will just have to keep borrowing more and more to stimulate further spending. Eventually that credit runs out and you get a debt crisis as recent events have shown.
Also there are problems and criticisms with Keynesian economics as you must surely be aware. Leaving aside the theoretical criticisms there is a practical one, in that government spending must be spent on correcting economic problems, not just on political pet projects, or worse our burdening security & surveillance bureaucracy.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
'Raid' what a colourful word
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Raiding our pensions. Raiding our Health car. Raiding our education. Raiding our lifes.
I see what you mean.
I see what you mean.
Raiding pensions is exactly what Brown did when he scrapped the tax relief on pensions funds - http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/pensions/article.html?in_article_id=413695&in_page_id=6
But at least some of that was put to good use with the Iraq war.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
One word;BOLLOCKS.There is ZERO historical proof that increasing taxes on the wealthy or big corporations leads to a business/capital exodus.moon23;11597527I said:
We are also missing out on £120BILLION taxes wecould get-and the government you support have axed the HMRC unit dedicated to targetting the wealthy
More bollocks;The Greek and British economies are in no way comparable
No-one's suggesting that-the banks,big business and the wealthy should pay to pump-prime the British Economy
like an imminent recession
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What a naughty boy. I must then support you and your parties deepening of such behaviour. You moral cretin. More raiding!
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
The slimes keep bleating on about 'its only reducing spending to 2007 levels' - its utterly disengneuous. they talking not about the amount of spending - but the amount as a proportion of GDP. As the economy has shrunk since 2007, reducing public spending to that proportion of GDP means a significent net reduction in spending on 2007 levels.
Addtionally its all being front loaded into the next 12-18 months for reasons of electrol calculus - with the result that jobs and services are being decimated throughout the country especially in the most deprived areas of the country. This will also have a huge knock on effect to service industries in those areas - leading to more job losses and misery.
This is peoples lives moon you cunt - you are shitting on people, ruining communities, destroying futures - for the benefit of the already obscenely wealthy. And then bullshitting about the reasons and hiding from the consequnces.
Beneath contempt.
Addtionally its all being front loaded into the next 12-18 months for reasons of electrol calculus - with the result that jobs and services are being decimated throughout the country especially in the most deprived areas of the country. This will also have a huge knock on effect to service industries in those areas - leading to more job losses and misery.
This is peoples lives moon you cunt - you are shitting on people, ruining communities, destroying futures - for the benefit of the already obscenely wealthy. And then bullshitting about the reasons and hiding from the consequnces.
Beneath contempt.
The interesting thing about the yougov polling is that the sort of people that register with it, are the sort of people on the whole from where the Libdems draw a large part of their natural constituency.
I really don't think we can underestimate how badly they're going to do on May 5th, it will come down to Tory tactical voting in Labour/Libdem marginals that saves them, nothing else.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Lib Dems would have a shitload of vulnerable seats in municipal elections too, right? I mean most of what they picked up over the last decade was from Labour...
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Quite a few Tory seats as well.
It would be even worse for them if London had municipals this year,rather than 2014.Either way,uncle Ken must be rubbing his hands in glee
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Well done with the use of a 5 year-old, partisan Daily Mail article to support your claim about "raids".
You are, of course, aware, that pension funds, for a very tiny hit on their own profits, could have covered the loss to savers, but chose not to?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Loads of chatter about how big firms/"20% of companies"/everybody and his dog were going to leave, totally unfulfilled according to the financial press that spewed this crap in the first place.
Yeah, but that was an honest mistake, wasn't it?
Moon knows this. We've been through the whole thing about how there are very few similarities dozens of times, but he's like a dog returning to its' vomit.
He's quite wrong, you know, and so are you. We have a triple A rating that's extremely unlikely, in fact vanishingly unlikely to be down-graded, however much business OR individual economic illiterates like moon try to talk it down. Borrowing at low cost, which is what we're able to do, is eminently sensible for pump-priming, as is nullifying the decrease in CT.
Thing is, pet-molesters like moon don't accept the cause of imminent recession as the cause of imminent recession. it can't possibly be the coalition's inept handling of the reins of finance, or their blundering policies, it's got to be something else, preferably something related to the last govt. Something like spending, maybe...
Have you seen this chart?
I know it is, which is why we need to tackle the structural deficit and get the economy back on track. We need to do everything we can to encourage the private sector and get the British economy growing again.
Whilst doing this we also need to protect as many front-line services as possible. This is what Lib-Dem councils have been doing up and down the country. That's why no Lib-Dem council is shutting a single sure-start centre, why we have secured the pupil premium to ensure the most disadvantaged kids get extra help in a time of hardship. It's also why we have campaigned to get the tax threshold raised to bring millions of people out of paying income tax all together.
Say what you like about the Lib Dems, but we are not the one's that created this fucking mess in the first place.
They are cunts.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, you are.
What? We were in recession before the coalition even came into power and we are not in a recession at the moment. You can't possibly suggest the economic crisis is the fault of the coalition?
Borrowing is one short-term approach to getting yourself out of a recession but it has long-term impact. The debts that a country takes on have to be repaid, and that means that an increasing amount of our GDP is spent on serving debt. Keynesian economics ends up like a pyramid scheme, having to take on increasing amounts of debt. When the credit eventually dries up you are in trouble as the economy has been built around public sector borrowing, financial services and a public sector that is too large to be supported by our taxation receipts.
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