ViolentPanda
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The Koran excuses Muslims with health problems from fasting, also from the hajj. Unfortunately, some believers with health problems believe that fasting despite a health problem is a display of devoutness.
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The Koran excuses Muslims with health problems from fasting, also from the hajj. Unfortunately, some believers with health problems believe that fasting despite a health problem is a display of devoutness.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Fine as far as it goes, but it only goes as far as individual governments and pwer structures allow it to.
ViolentPanda
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ViolentPanda
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they trivialise themselves
ViolentPanda
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The message burned into his brain by Jehovah when he struck him down on the road to Damascus.
To be fair, if a deity smote me, I'd probably get the "message" too!
ViolentPanda
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And to do so repeatedly, as a "right" is worthless of you don't exercise it.
ViolentPanda
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Although such varied luminaries as Mullah Omar and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini would disagree, and pretend to (always without suggesting it themselves, naturally!) prophetship in order to give validation to their perversions.
ViolentPanda
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Man goes into Post Office:
"One dissent licence, please!".
"I'm sorry sir, I can't sell you that."
"Why not, you cunt?"
"Ooh, dissenting against the state without a licence! I'll have to report you for that, sir!".
Except it'd be worse than that.
ViolentPanda
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ViolentPanda
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Depends what you mean by "teachings".
If we're talking strictly the Koran and the hadith, then not so much. If we're talking those plus 14 centuries of Islamic jurisprudence based as much on cultural practice as the words in the original scripture, then that's where a lot of the perversion comes from, and none of the Islamic cults and sects are blameless here. As always, when politics enters into belief, all sorts of foul-smelling shit results.
ViolentPanda
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Christianity has had a culture of martyrdom since inception. It's based on the martyrdom of a single man for the supposed sake of the whole of humankind. Christians still martyr themselves for their beliefs, just as non-believers do (you're aware that the PLO was a secular organisation, I take it?).
ViolentPanda
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he's definitely a plank, and quite possibly from the largest redwood in the world.
bubblesmcgrath
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You quote a quote that was not directed at your posts.
Who's failing now?
Hmm....now I'll be earwigging this...
weltweit
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Yes, martyrdom in that way I agree exists in Christianity (my mistake for not thinking about that) I was reading up on it just now [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_martyrs ] , but I don't hear it being used today as a Christian recruiting tool to bring young people to war like it does within Islam and their virgins where you always hear of recruitment pressures, come and be a martyr, or this or that martyrdom operation etc.
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pisspoor
bubblesmcgrath
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what, you think 'be nice to one another' ISN'T a trivialisation of jesus' message?
bubblesmcgrath
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Actually, I think being nice to one another is a pretty good start if it's in a spirit of caring, kindness and generosity.
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the church in ireland's in a worse state than i dared hope
bubblesmcgrath
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What's the church got to do with Jesus' message?
The church is a man made male dominated construct designed to appease Constantine....
Sweet f a to do with the message of Jesus.
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Starry Wisdom
i thought somewhere along the line you might mention heaven, the promise of an afterlife, belief in god...
bubblesmcgrath
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Now Picky go and learn a bit about the history of the rc church.
I don't subscribe to nastiness anywhere and I don't support evil. And by heck there are some very evil people in every walk of life including religious life.
But the message of Jesus is as revolutionary as it was 2000 years ago.
Non violence.
Love.
Peace.
I don't subscribe to nastiness anywhere and I don't support evil. And by heck there are some very evil people in every walk of life including religious life.
But the message of Jesus is as revolutionary as it was 2000 years ago.
Non violence.
Love.
Peace.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
They'll be saying exactly that about the new messiah in 2000 years....
but we all know he's a very naughty boy
Jesus
FFS
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
They'll be saying exactly that about the new messiah in 2000 years....
but we all know he's a very naughty boy
Jesus
in having a forehead tatt they've tipped from the artistic depiction of jesus sans bic into 'hey he looks a bit like charles manson'
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it's a pity then that all christians say a variation of that and after 2000 years the line's wearing somewhat thin. strange how it's always the OTHER christians who have it arse over tit.
bubblesmcgrath
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Which Christian church did you mean then when you posted this?
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Non violence? Peace? Why don't all of us hold hands and sing kum bah yah while we're about it?
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34
Anyway, why has this thread become about Christianity instead of Islam?
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34
Anyway, why has this thread become about Christianity instead of Islam?
weltweit
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Possibly because like me most are more comfortable criticizing Christianity perhaps because they don't know much about Islam (I certainly don't) or perhaps because they fear a Rushdie style fatwa!
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