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Legitimate criticism of Islam

Is it possible, in this climate, for a privileged white ex-Christian to critique Islam without sounding like a racist arsehole?
It's obvious that a lot of the "new atheists" (Harris and Hitchens are the worst), as well as Christian and Jewish bigots, use "criticism of Islam" as a smokescreen for their bloodlust and anti-arab bigotry. Some people use "Draw Mohammed Day" as an excuse to draw racist caricatures of Muslims in the name of freedom of expression. This is not legitimate criticism and further marginalises a group that is already highly mmarginalised in our society.
Then there are the progressive types who will dismiss any critique of Islamic doctrine or practises as racism and imperialism. I have some sympathy with this view, as we're so often hearing Islam and Muslim attacked by bigots that it can be hard to tell whether someone is arguing in good faith.
Take the burqua. It is a disgusting expression of rape culture that many liberals are loath to condemn for fear of being taken for bigots. Should the burqua be banned? Many feminists think so, but so do many bigots who just want to shit on Muslims. Is a ban the best way to deal with the problem? How else can people not directly involved in these communities tackle this problem?
We have the issue of gender segregation, where some universities have pandered to Islamic speakers and groups by allowing segregated seating (men up front of course). This is totally unacceptable but again is being exploited by terrible people as another excuse to attack Muslims.
We have Respect throwing women and queer people under the bus so as not to offend reactionary Muslims.
These are problems that need to be dealt with but it seems like every effort will get hijacked by racists, so that progressives will feel uncomfortable and drop out and the problems persist. We can't rely on Muslims to "police their own" any more than we can rely on Christians to do the same, but criticism from outsiders will understandably be seen by many Muslims as just more of the same bullshit. It's difficult to see how any progress can be made.

any thoughts, ideas, disagreements?

Much of what people hold against Islam isn't Islam, but rather cultural practices that pre-existed islam, that have accreted into what might broadly be termed "Islamic cultures". That includes the burqa, clitoral excision, and justifications for "honour killings".
As for people letting oppression slide in order to either garner Brownie points or for political reasons, fuck 'em. Oppression is oppression. If you're not fighting it, your inaction will be seen by some as condoning it. Me, I'd rather be a fighter than a condoner.
 
Ask anyone working in intensive care or hospices whether patient's prayers help them in some way. You'd be surprised how it can calm people and ease their time.

Yeah, people will self-report positive effects regarding all manner of things that have been exhaustively shown to have no effect.
On the bright side, for a while it was looking like prayer was making things worse.
 
Much of what people hold against Islam isn't Islam, but rather cultural practices that pre-existed islam, that have accreted into what might broadly be termed "Islamic cultures". That includes the burqa, clitoral excision, and justifications for "honour killings".
As for people letting oppression slide in order to either garner Brownie points or for political reasons, fuck 'em. Oppression is oppression. If you're not fighting it, your inaction will be seen by some as condoning it. Me, I'd rather be a fighter than a condoner.

Spot on
 
Of course it is possible, as a white person, to criticise islam without being racist etc. Just because some racist idiots may share the same view on a particular issue, but use it to further their own warped agenda, doesn't mean non-racists should shy away from criticising the same issue for fear of being lumped in with the idiots.

Just make sure that your critique is of Islam, and not of some bizarre quasi-tribal practice that's accreted to Islam. Too many of the supposedly well-informed commentariati don't bother to make the distinction, and tar all of Islam with what are regional perversions.
 
Just make sure that your critique is of Islam, and not of some bizarre quasi-tribal practice that's accreted to Islam. Too many of the supposedly well-informed commentariati don't bother to make the distinction, and tar all of Islam with what are regional perversions.

Again...spot on
 
Just make sure that your critique is of Islam, and not of some bizarre quasi-tribal practice that's accreted to Islam. Too many of the supposedly well-informed commentariati don't bother to make the distinction, and tar all of Islam with what are regional perversions.
Islam is coopted to justify those regional perversions, though, and you can say that within the teachings of Islam, there is plenty that can be used to justify them. And there are some common threads - the structurally subordinate position of women, for instance, which it shares with most versions of Christianity.
 
For a thread about the legitimate criticism of Islam, there has been precious little legitimate or illegitimate criticism on display so far. How about I make a start, the idea of martyrdom seems very suspect to me, Christianity does not have it, atheists certainly don't have it, why does Islam even need it?
 
For a thread about the legitimate criticism of Islam, there has been precious little legitimate or illegitimate criticism on display so far. How about I make a start, the idea of martyrdom seems very suspect to me, Christianity does not have it, atheists certainly don't have it, why does Islam even need it?


yeh, theres no matyrdom in christianity. You massive fucking plank
 
For a thread about the legitimate criticism of Islam, there has been precious little legitimate or illegitimate criticism on display so far. How about I make a start, the idea of martyrdom seems very suspect to me, Christianity does not have it, atheists certainly don't have it, why does Islam even need it?
Well there are martyrs in Christianity yes but it isn't so much a recruiting tool for war is it?
:rolleyes:
 
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