Legitimate criticism of Islam

[Left]

And that's happened here has it?

Well people haven't eexactly been forthcoming with their reasons for disagreement ("fucking idiot") so I'm forced to surmise

 

[twentythreedom]

Why are you defending rapist?

He's not though, is he?

Your attitude is potentially fucking dangerous

 

[Left]

You started the thread, why don't you take it seriously?

I'm deadly serious you know.

So let's talk about the burqa. Is it really possible for someone to freely choose to wear it, uncoerced by familial pressure, fear of social opprobrium or the risk of violence? I don't think so. Is banning the right option? I don't know. How has it worked out in France?

 

[poului]

It's never right to tell any citizen what they can and cannot wear. Likewise it's never right to jail someone on the grounds of being a potential rapist.

 

[Left]

He's not though, is he?

Your attitude is potentially fucking dangerous

This is a topic for another thread, but I don't think so. It may seem that way because the norm is to give potentially dangerous people the benefit of the doubt. Now that is fucking dangerous.

 

[Spymaster]

Who decides who's potentially dangerous?

 

[twentythreedom]

This is a topic for another thread, but I don't think so. It may seem that way because the norm is to give potentially dangerous people the benefit of the doubt. Now that is fucking dangerous.

Classing people as potentially dangerous is potentially dangerous

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[Left]

It's never right to tell any citizen what they can and cannot wear. Likewise it's never right to jail someone on the grounds of being a potential rapist.

But how can people make an uncoerced choice to wear the burqa if the consequences of not wearing it are isolation or abuse?

all men are potential rapists. I don't want all men jailed, but if the red flags are there, I'd rather imprison a non-violent misogynist than let a predator go free.

 

[poului]

But how can people make an uncoerced choice to wear the burqa if the consequences of not wearing it are isolation or abuse?

That's not something that a change in the law is going to resolve.

all men are potential rapists. I don't want all men jailed, but if the red flags are there, I'd rather imprison a non-violent misogynist than let a predator go free.

That's quite the claim. Are you a man or a woman btw?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Only because it would inevitably involve racial profiling. I'm happy with jailing people for violent rhetoric though, whether pro- or anti- Islam.

I assume you're nowhere near power. I'm very glad about that. You are a mad authoritarian who wants a police state.

You: 'The authorities must have more power over us.'

Authorities: 'Wow, that was easy.'

 

[Left]

That's not something that a change in the law is going to resolve.

How can we deal with this then, if not legally?
We need to do something because the situation as it stands is not ok
I honestly don't know the solution but sitting on our thumbs isn't it

That's quite the claim. Are you a man or a woman btw?

I'm a man. Maybe I should have said all people are potential rapists, but men are much more likely to be. It shouldn't be a controversial claim if you know what "potential" means in this context.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm a man. Maybe I should have said all people are potential rapists, but men are much more likely to be. It shouldn't be a controversial claim if you know what "potential" means in this context.

Oh fuck off.

 

[poului]

I'm a man. Maybe I should have said all people are potential rapists, but men are much more likely to be. It shouldn't be a controversial claim if you know what "potential" means in this context.

You're protesting a bit too much on this topic, to be frank.

 

[ruffneck23]

you sound very Orwellian , thought police , springs to mid Left

 

[8ball]

You're protesting a bit too much on this topic, to be frank.

Too nebulous. Spit it out.

 

[Left]

I assume you're nowhere near power. I'm very glad about that. You are a mad authoritarian who wants a police state.

You: 'The authorities must have more power over us.'

Authorities: 'Wow, that was easy.'

I actually consider myself a left libertarian of some sort. But I think far too many others of this description ignore the power that non-physical violence can have to restrict people's freedom.

 

[8ball]

You are a mad authoritarian who wants a police state.

Who isn't these days?

 

[Plumdaff]

You have tens of thousands of thoughts everyday. About eighty per cent are negative. Today, at least recently, I bet you've had violent and self harming thoughts, and at least ten thoughts about that disgusting kink you have.

The only way you can not be a hypocrite is to turn yourself in to the authorities. You monster.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I actually consider myself a left libertarian of some sort. .

I think you might be in a minority in this view of what you are.

 

[weltweit]

Are Christian actors responsible for more deaths in the last twenty years or are muslim ones?

 

[Left]

You have tens of thousands of thoughts everyday. About eighty per cent are negative. Today, at least recently, I bet you've had violent and self harming thoughts, and at least ten thoughts about that disgusting kink you have.

The only way you can not be a hypocrite is to turn yourself in to the authorities. You monster.

There is no thought police. There is no such thing as mind reading. I'm talking about words and actions which contribute to a culture of violence.

 

[weltweit]

There is no thought police. There is no such thing as mind reading. I'm talking about words and actions which contribute to a culture of violence.

Axis of evil?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There is no thought police. There is no such thing as mind reading. I'm talking about words and actions which contribute to a culture of violence.

And locking people up.

The police. Give more power to the police. You know, that intelligent, thoughtful, non-racist police force we have.

The authorities are part of the problem here. Do you not see a wider agenda in the locking up of these two idiots? It is part of a justification of cracking down on dissent of all kinds, including Muslim dissent.

 

[8115]

Are Christian actors responsible for more deaths in the last twenty years or are muslim ones?

 

[Plumdaff]

There is no thought police. There is no such thing as mind reading. I'm talking about words and actions which contribute to a culture of violence.

There's no thought police but you go to prison for stupid remarks. God I'm so relieved. That's a libertarian utopia.

 

[Left]

And locking people up.

The police. Give more power to the police. You know, that intelligent, thoughtful, non-racist police force we have.

Yes racist or rapist jokes should be challenged forcefully. But that is a long way from saying that you should go running to the police every time you see or hear one.

Police culture is rotten and urgently needs reform. The police should have to study sociology, violent and bigoted cops dismissed instead of covered for. But racist and rape jokes are a form of violence, towards human brains. It seems arbitrary to only prosecute things that affect other parts of the body.

Oh fuck off.

Convincing argument. Maybe I'll do that, the football is probably more interesting than this thread.

 

[weltweit]

I wonder about Dawkins. His critique of Christianity is one thing, the religion of his upbringing and whose institutions are largely peaceful if still dangerous. But criticising islam surely tempts a fatwa of some kind. Perhaps that is what he seeks, some kind of badge of authenticity?

 

[weltweit]

.. Convincing argument. Maybe I'll do that, the football is probably more interesting than this thread.

One thing I have learnt, as someone who starts a few threads myself. If my own threads are not interesting, I usually have only myself to blame !

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Left, do you not see any other way of dealing with things than running to the police and courts?

Really? I despair. And I'm also off to watch the football. Given the utter rubbish you have been spouting on this thread, it is a bit rich of you to criticise the responses.

 

[ohmyliver]

So let's talk about the burqa. Is it really possible for someone to freely choose to wear it, uncoerced by familial pressure, fear of social opprobrium or the risk of violence? I don't think so. Is banning the right option? I don't know. How has it worked out in France?

Yes, because there are converts/reverts who choose to wear it, and these women tend to not have things like familial pressure as the reason for wearing the niquab or burqa.