Legitimate criticism of Islam

[8ball]

I'm not sure I can imagine myself becoming a suicide bmber to achieve a political goal, but for sheer revenge? Absolutely.

Yeah, I can see that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

don't or can't?

Surely those who can't exercise it, haven't been granted it (i.e. constitutionally) in the first place?

But I take your point that some people can't exercise something that should be a universal right, but isn't.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There's a great story about a chap called Richard Burton (not that one) who disguised himself as a Muslim, with a comprehensive backstory, in order to experience the Hajj pilgrimage back in the 19th century. He was also an explorer, an exceptional linguist and in his later years a strong critic of British colonial policy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Francis_Burton

Also one of the lead characters in Philip Jose Farmer's "Riverworld" series of books.

 

[ViolentPanda]

George Carlin eloquently described religion as "just stupid shit that people made up".
Those gullible enough to take this backward, superstitious nonsense seriously deserve to have the piss taken.

George, in his guise as Rufus, taught Bill & Ted their maxim "be excellent to one another".
George was a very cool dude.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Robert Pape Dying to win

It wasn't Pape's book, it was a chapter contributed by him to another book, but I'm buggered if I can remember which.

 

[Ole]

I actually consider myself a left libertarian of some sort. But I think far too many others of this description ignore the power that non-physical violence can have to restrict people's freedom.

You're a complete fucking head the ball. Libertarian of some sort, sweet fucking Jesus.

 

[Dr Jon]

Why? What's it to do with you what others believe?

If they're not aggressively evangelising, what's the problem?

No problem, so long as they keep their stupid shit away from me and don't expect any special treatment or privileges for their stupid shit.
They shouldn't be surprised or feel victimised when other people point out that it's stupid shit.

 

[Pickman's model]

I actually consider myself a left libertarian of some sort. But I think far too many others of this description ignore the power that non-physical violence can have to restrict people's freedom.

a pretty poor sort

 

[Mr Moose]

yes. but all you've done is not even present anecdotal evidence but say 'there must be something in it if people have been doing it for so long'. why must there be something in it if people have been doing it for so long? where is the xian god, who one might feel from the evidence of the auld testament - let alone the new - took something of an interest in the matters of the world?

Comfort in praying. No comfort in God as there is no such.

 

[Spymaster]

No problem, so long as they keep their stupid shit away from me and don't expect any special treatment or privileges for their stupid shit.
They shouldn't be surprised or feel victimised when other people point out that it's stupid shit.

Ah, you're one of those. Yaaaaawn.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No problem, so long as they keep their stupid shit away from me and don't expect any special treatment or privileges for their stupid shit.
They shouldn't be surprised or feel victimised when other people point out that it's stupid shit.

I agree with you about not expecting special treatment, although that is exactly what religious belief does get. However, I know some very good people who are religious. I have no inclination to batter them for it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Comfort in praying. No comfort in God as there is no such.

it's mr moose and his mobile goalposts again

 

[Pickman's model]

I agree with you about not expecting special treatment, although that is exactly what religious belief does get. However, I know some very good people who are religious. I have no inclination to batter them for it.

born again? twice too often

 

[littlebabyjesus]

born again? twice too often

afaik my mum's only been born once.

 

[8ball]

People reporting what they feel is widely considered evidence in health studies.

In health studies the weight given to such evidence is carefully considered in the context of how it was collected.[/QUOTE]

 

[Pickman's model]

afaik my mum's only been born once.

your mother has no relevance to any threads outside knobbing and sobbing

 

[littlebabyjesus]

your mother has no relevance to any threads outside knobbing and sobbing

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

born again? twice too often

 

[DotCommunist]

No problem, so long as they keep their stupid shit away from me and don't expect any special treatment or privileges for their stupid shit.
They shouldn't be surprised or feel victimised when other people point out that it's stupid shit.

socially acceptable liberal bigotry eh, what larks. well maybe thats harsh- impoliteness.

 

[Dr Jon]

I agree with you about not expecting special treatment, although that is exactly what religious belief does get. However, I know some very good people who are religious. I have no inclination to batter them for it.

I have worked with many very good people who are religious. They know my views on religion and I have no inclination to batter them provided they keep their delusions to themselves.

 

[Spymaster]

I agree with you about not expecting special treatment, although that is exactly what religious belief does get. However, I know some very good people who are religious. I have no inclination to batter them for it.

I generally find on these threads that the frequency someone posts puerile guff like "stupid shit" is usually inversely proportionate to the prospect of that person contributing anything else worth reading.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have worked with many very good people who are religious. They know my views on religion and I have no inclination to batter them provided they keep their delusions to themselves.

battering's so passé, people are instead looking back to pursuits of former years like archery

 

[Mr Moose]

it's mr moose and his mobile goalposts again

Your post before this was frankly drivel. My goal posts were firmly rooted thanks very much.

 

[DotCommunist]

routed to where?

 

[Mr Moose]

routed to where?

Thank you kindly.

 

[Pickman's model]

Your post before this was frankly drivel. My goal posts were firmly routed thanks very much.

no, they aren't. your goalposts are all over the fucking shop. cheesypoof, who started the chat about prayer, said prayers made the people prayed for feel better. now you're saying they make the prayer - as opposed to the prayee - feel better. that's rather a big fucking shift.

 

[DotCommunist]

battering's so passé, people are instead looking back to pursuits of former years like archery

can't believe all them arrows and nobody has put one in his nads

 

[Pickman's model]

can't believe all them arrows and nobody has put one in his nads

risk of going through an artery and yer man blooding out quickly

 

[Mr Moose]

no, they aren't. your goalposts are all over the fucking shop. cheesypoof, who started the chat about prayer, said prayers made the people prayed for feel better. now you're saying they make the prayer - as opposed to the prayee - feel better. that's rather a big fucking shift.

I've never claimed that they make the prayee feel better. How would they do that? Think we may have wires crossed you big arse.

 

[Pickman's model]

Comfort in praying. No comfort in God as there is no such.

I've never claimed that. How would they do that?

oh dear