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Latest Operation Herne report (#3) into undercover policing - spying on justice campaigns

You could justify inflitrating the swp once they did claim they were planning revoultion:rolleyes: The only reason to continue is if you really hated your agent though:p. ANL did talk a good talk about streetfighting so thats justifiable.
None of the rest were not criminals not into direct action not even subversives not jusifiable.
 
connected to two of campaigns, not only was police following, tapping , infiltrating but wanted us all to know, no one was breaking law but their law is no justice for anyone if it means pissing them off by legit questions.
 
You could justify inflitrating the swp once they did claim they were planning revoultion:rolleyes:

Yeah but the coppers know that the SWP is run by the state. Its purpose is to crush the spirits of potential activists by exposing them to suffocating amounts of pompous tweedy men waffling on about how unreconstructed bolshevism is the only alternative to neoliberal capitalism.

Like the Met police, they also have a sideline in abusing women.
 
Nah the swp are just that crap:p
Much as you'd like to imagine old reg from mi5 is pulling the strings they really really are just shit.
i mean the state could be doing the same to the bnp or just sitting back with a pint and watch the two extremes of british politics continue to run full tilt at a glass door repeatidly:facepalm:
 
Some more possibles:

Sam Kulasingham & Prem Sivalingham (East Ham 2) (1986) - wrongfully convicted of firebombing murders until campaigners including Paul May (Birmingham 6, Bridgewater 4, Judith Ward, Danny McNamee etc) got their convictions quashed in 1994

Shiji Lapite (1994) - killed in custody at Stoke Newington police station; case taken up by Hackney Community Defence Association, involving known SDS target Mark Metcalf, Graham Smith and others
 
One could of course further expand this beyond the police,corporate and MI5/MI6 infiltration of justice campaigns to a wide selection of organisations including eco-activists, anti-war,anti-corporations etc etc etc London Greenpeace and Mcdonalds Mclibal anyone. I for one would to know just now far its gone and how far up it goes
 
One could of course further expand this beyond the police,corporate and MI5/MI6 infiltration of justice campaigns to a wide selection of organisations including eco-activists, anti-war,anti-corporations etc etc etc London Greenpeace and Mcdonalds Mclibal anyone.

The roundabout answer is that that is ground which is covered in varying degrees of depth in a range of other threads:

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...ndercover-infiltrator-related-threads.313895/

The 3rd Herne report is focused on infiltration of the family/justice campaigns by SDS.

I for one would to know just now far its gone and how far up it goes

The slightly less short answer to this is very far and very high up.

Large swathes of senior officers within the Met, other constabularies and the various national policing bodies, both current and retired, have been directly or indirectly involved in the management of the spying programme executed through SDS, NPOIU/CIU, NDEU & NDEDIU, or else worked closely alongside, below or above others who did.

A smaller but significant number of prominent senior officers were even spy cops themselves, or close cohorts of others who were.

Even after retirement from the police, many of these officers have further exploited their knowledge of or involvement in the spying programme for commercial gain, with directorships of companies which benefited from espionage against political activists, engagement in private security/intelligence networks, pseudo-academic sinecures, ‘thinktanks’ etc.
 
ACPO being a private company, and one about to be wound up, isn't it possible that liability for their past misdemeanors will magically disappear along with the company itself?
 
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Too far, I suspect, for the truth to ever be allowed to come out.

Rather like the peados in the BBC, Government etc then? One wonders who's got what on who be it high level peados, corporate/poticial corruption, police infiltration etc. Will we ever find out the truth
 
ACPO being a private company, and one about to be wound up, isn't it possible that liability for their past misdemeanors will magically disappear with the company itself?
You need to actually look at the available material more closely. The ACPO-is-a-private-company is largely a red herring - 90% of the spying was done by units reporting through the normal Met chain of command, albeit funded directly through the Home Office for most of the time.
 
ACPO being a private company, and one about to be wound up, isn't it possible that liability for their past misdemeanors will magically disappear with the company itself?
it'd still count as a (potential) liability against the company, so either the directors would still be responsible, or they'd pass on the risk to the new company along with other company property
 
ACPO being a private company, and one about to be wound up, isn't it possible that liability for their past misdemeanors will magically disappear with the company itself?
Now the magical disappearance of APCO's misdemeanors would not surprise many
 
The whiff of conspiracy theory lunacy is beginning to waft under the door here.

ACPO was involved in the political spying programmes - but for the most part it was executed through the Special Branches, most notably the Met's. The spying programmes were initiated by police working to senior civil servants on the orders of elected politicians, who then for the most part kept the programme at arms' length.

There is no doubting that ACPO is used as a means of obfuscation on a range of matters. But it's no less sinister than the Privy Council.

The spying programme was created, sustained and protected by large numbers of people - not just police officers, but also politicians, civil servants and others. The identities of these people can be discerned and in many cases have been discerned. Archly muttering about how evidence may ‘magically disappear’ is exactly the sort of attitude which benefits these criminal spy-cops the most - a responsibility-abdicating laziness which lets them off the hook because some would rather complain about the status quo than challenge it.
 
Haven't updated the list for a while...

List as of 15 August 2014:

Definites
  1. New Cross fire victims (1981)
  2. Cherry Groce (1985)
  3. Cynthia Jarrett (1985)
  4. Broadwater Farm (1985)*
  5. Rolan Adams (1991)
  6. Stephen Lawrence (1993)
  7. Wayne Douglas (1995)
  8. Michael Menson (1997)
  9. Ricky Reel (1997)
  10. Harry Stanley (1999)
  11. Jean Charles De Menezes (2005)

Possibles
  • Kevin Gately (1974)
  • Michael Ferreira (1978)
  • Blair Peach (1979)
  • Colin Roach (1983)
  • Tunay Hassan (1987)
  • Patrick Quinn (1990)
  • Joy Gardner (1993)
  • Quddus Ali (1993)
  • Shiji Lapite (1994)
  • Brian Douglas (1995)
  • Diarmuid O'Neill (1996)
  • Christopher Alder (1998)**
  • Roger Sylvester (1999)
  • Azelle Rodney (2005)
* Winston Silcott from the original ‘Tottenham Three’ (convicted 1987; conviction overturned 1991) and Nicky Jacobs (acquitted 2014) both specifically mentioned
** Died in police custody in Hull, but family's campaign was vigorous with a national profile

ETA: Amended to include Pickman's model's suggestion of Diarmuid O'Neill (see next post).
 
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Haven't updated the list for a while...

List as of 15 August 2014:

Definites
  1. New Cross fire victims (1981)
  2. Cherry Groce (1985)
  3. Cynthia Jarrett (1985)
  4. Broadwater Farm (1985)*
  5. Rolan Adams (1991)
  6. Stephen Lawrence (1993)
  7. Wayne Douglas (1995)
  8. Michael Menson (1997)
  9. Ricky Reel (1997)
  10. Harry Stanley (1999)
  11. Jean Charles De Menezes (2005)

Possibles
  • Kevin Gately (1974)
  • Michael Ferreira (1978)
  • Blair Peach (1979)
  • Colin Roach (1983)
  • Tunay Hassan (1987)
  • Patrick Quinn (1990)
  • Joy Gardner (1993)
  • Quddus Ali (1993)
  • Shiji Lapite (1994)
  • Brian Douglas (1995)
  • Christopher Alder (1998)**
  • Roger Sylvester (1999)
  • Azelle Rodney (2005)
* Winston Silcott from the original ‘Tottenham Three’ (convicted 1987; conviction overturned 1991) and Nicky Jacobs (acquitted 2014) both specifically mentioned
** Died in police custody in Hull, but family's campaign was vigorous with a national profile
oi oi :mad: what about diarmuid o'neill (1996)?
 
Sorry, since somebody kiboshed posters' ability to edit their own posts by putting a time limit on it, it's a bit of a to-and-fro across the pages. Will amend the above version rather than put yet another version up.
:D wonder how that came about ;)
 
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...9/undercover-police-and-policing-mark-kennedy

These last two parts can be found here. As before, it is quite a long interview so I have given a guide to the order of subjects we talked about, starting with the second part:

* whether there are still undercover spies deployed in political groups at the moment and whether the spies are still having intimate relationships with the people they have been sent to spy on. (Britain's most senior police officer, Bernard Hogan-Howe, is - according to this - not sure that his spies have stopped sleeping with their targets);

* how police and campaigners are constantly trying to outwit each other over the unmasking of undercover spies;

* how suspected police infiltrator Rod Richardson appears to haveadopted the identity of a baby who died two days after being born;

* how ex-police spy Peter Francis has disclosed what he did undercover, compared to Mark Kennedy who has yet to tell the truth of his secret mission;

* how police sent Francis and other spies to infiltrate the groups that were campaigning for a proper investigation into the racist murder ofStephen Lawrence;

* how police chiefs threatened to prosecute Francis on several occasionsfor breaking the official secrets act;

* can the public trust the police to investigate themselves over the allegations of misconduct by the undercover spies;

* how Bob Lambert is alleged to have set fire to a Debenhams store when he was undercover and whether he may have been authorised to do so;

* how Lambert skilfully obtained vital intelligence to enable police to capture an animal rights activist, Geoff Sheppard, without arousing any suspicion against himself;

* how Kennedy spied abroad in countries such as Germany, Iceland and Denmark and police exchanged intelligence across borders;

* the motivations of Kennedy and how campaigners managed to unmaskhim and other undercover spies.

The third part of the interview is here :

* the undercover infiltration of right-wing groups such as Combat 18;

* the differences between undercover officers who infiltrate political groups (to collect intelligence) and those who penetrate serious criminal gangs (to gather evidence);

* the infiltration of anarchist groups such as Class War, and the reasons for the establishment of the National Public Order Intelligence Unit in the late 1990s;

* What is the justification for the deployment of undercover spies in political groups;

* the trauma suffered by women who subsequently discovered that their long-term partners were police officers;

* the stress, pressure and confusion experienced by the undercover officers and the neglect of their mental welfare by their superiors;

* the police's policy of neither confirming nor denying the identities of undercover spies and how the parents of dead children whose identities were stolen by the police officers will never be told the truth.

Interspersed in the interview are songs including Baby, I'm an Anarchist!and Junior Murvin's Police and Thieves.

And to finish, I would like to thank Yodet and Janey from the Circle A show for taking the trouble to interview me.
 
Worth mentioning that the Met has dumped an inordinately redacted version of the SDS Tradecraft Manual on the coat tails of Operation Herne:

http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/p...ate/operation_herne_sds_tradecraft_manual.pdf

Only mainstream coverage on this that I have seen is in the Mirror:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-publish-secret-training-manual-5982393
Is that the one that looks like it's a string of urban posts with masses of black all over it? That document is laughable.
 
The IPCC's whitewash report into the N81/Walton/Lambert meeting is now out:

https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Documents/investigation_commissioner_reports/Final Report - Walton Lambert Black - 2 March 2016.pdf

From the press release:

Former Metropolitan Police commander Richard Walton and former detective inspector Robert Lambert would both have had a case to answer for misconduct if they were still serving officers, an IPCC investigation has found.

Three other former officers, including former commander Colin Black were found to have no case to answer as part of the same investigation.
 
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it'd still count as a (potential) liability against the company, so either the directors would still be responsible, or they'd pass on the risk to the new company along with other company property

It depends on whether it is a limited liability company or not. If not, the directors are responsible, if so, then liability is limited to the assets (if any) of the company.

This is something I deal with, day in, day out. The company goes bust, the tax liability is written off, the company reappears next day, different name, same directors, and round we go again. They are known as 'Phoenix Companies'.
 
Paragraphs like this make you wonder how long they were sitting on the report before publishing it:

A/DI Walton is now Commander Richard Walton, still a serving officer within MPS as the Head of Counter Terrorism.
 
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