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butchersapron said:
Nicely done.

Is it worse to be a real member of the labour party or to pretend to be a member? What's the most shameful?
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I dunno but when it comes down to it I doubt whether Corbyn is that bothered one way or another, though of course he can never say that.
 
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My favourite one there is the dick holding the Evening Standard. The combination of tie, shit right-wing tabloid, Lib Dem sign and smug punchable face is amazing
 
I've just joined the Labour Party - as a student, £1 per year! - to vote for Corbyn. No proof of student status is required, just so you know.

If he doesn't win, but does get a lot of votes, that might still send out the message that, actually, being right-wing and Labour isn't as much of a vote-winner as they thought.

And yeah, it's a major political party and the current stand-in leader told her MPs not to vote against the austerity bill, and Labour are blue Tories etc etc. But they probably wouldn't, in reality, have been as bad as the current Tories are; they weren't last time they were in power. They didn't do enough, of course, but the Socialist Alliance or whatever is not going to seize power any day soon.

Labour is the only tool ordinary voters have to try to decrease attacks against the poor. It's a shit tool, but if you're in a fight and the only weapon you have is nail scissors it's better to use them than sit back being bludgeoned while wishing for a machete.

Burnham etc would take away even the nail scissors.
 
scifisam said:
I've just joined the Labour Party - as a student, £1 per year! - to vote for Corbyn. No proof of student status is required, just so you know.

If he doesn't win, but does get a lot of votes, that might still send out the message that, actually, being right-wing and Labour isn't as much of a vote-winner as they thought.
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Sorry but this isn't realistic at all. If he doesn't win then that will be spun as a vindication of neoliberalism over old fashioned backwards thinking socialism and a mandate to proceed as before. These policies are not subject to the democratic will of the electorate and they are certainly not subject to the democratic will of the Labour membership.
 
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scifisam said:
Labour is the only tool ordinary voters have to try to decrease attacks against the poor. It's a shit tool, but if you're in a fight and the only weapon you have is nail scissors it's better to use them than sit back being bludgeoned while wishing for a machete.

Burnham etc would take away even the nail scissors.
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What is this based on exactly? Abstaining from the welfare bill is totally consistent with statements made during the election campaign. Reeves promised to be tougher on welfare than the Tories, remember?
 
scifisam said:
...Labour is the only tool ordinary voters have to try to decrease attacks against the poor. It's a shit tool, but if you're in a fight and the only weapon you have is nail scissors it's better to use them than sit back being bludgeoned while wishing for a machete...
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Bullshit, "Labour is the only weapon with which I got to fight". I've got a hell of a lot of weapons to fight! I got my claws, I got cutlasses, I got guns, I got dynamite, I got a hell of a lot of fight! I'll fight! I'll fight! I will fight! I will fight! I will fight! I will fight!
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andysays said:
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You haven't actually got claws, etc, though, have you? And if you did try to use them to fight against govt cuts you'd be in deep shit.

Also, using a vote for a Labour leader (or any vote) doesn't take away any other tools you have. Unless you fall for all they say, which even some Labour MPs don't, it seems.

J ED -I told you already what it was based on - their past performance. I only think they'd be less monstrous than the current Tories. That is not a high bar to reach. It's sad that the bar is set so low but it is.

It's basically being stuck between a rock and a hard place and choosing the rock because at least it provides some shade whereas with the hard place you're instantly cooked.
 
scifisam said:
You haven't actually got claws, etc, though, have you? And if you did try to use them to fight against govt cuts you'd be in deep shit.

Also, using a vote for a Labour leader (or any vote) doesn't take away any other tools you have. Unless you fall for all they say, which even some Labour MPs don't, it seems...
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The claws etc are figurative, but you were the one who said
...Labour is the only tool ordinary voters have to try to decrease attacks against the poor
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and it's that which I'm disputing. But I'll go further and suggest that thinking that the Labour Party is any sort of tool for changing things for the better is a delusion which I urge you and others who are not already too far gone to re-consider.
 
If social media and newspaper comment threads are anything to go by, the support for the 3 neoliberal candidates is evaporating, and the more they attack Corbyn and his supporters, the stronger his support becomes.

Just been reading through the comments on this indy article by Liz Kendal, the article's not gone down well.
 
free spirit said:
you can interpret it that way if you want, I don't.

If the Labour party decide to interpret it in that way then so be it, but it'd seem pretty counterproductive to exclude 50,000 people who fought the last election on a centre left anti-austerity agenda, which many local labour party candidates basically nicked wholesale to use as their platform rather than their own parties manifesto commitments, and which the national labour party borrowed several policies from.

That tribalist approach worked really well in Scotland didn't it?
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as I say, up to the Labour party how they decide to go about this.

Fuckloads of exlabour members joined the greens in the last couple of years, a fair few union members too whos dues have been filling labour party coffers for years.
 
Fingers said:
This is quite funny. An attack on Corbyn in the Daily Mirror by Carol Malone and a poll under the article which show 70% are going to be voting for him

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-elect-jeremy-corbyn-lurch-6139547
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incredible article that - cliche gold
firebrand - check
dinosaur - twice
rabid - three times
hyperbole - endless
personal digs about his marriage
and theres a lot more besides

fair play to Carole Malone - you couldnt even get close to her rant with a spoof article - shes a natural shite stirrer -takes some skill. The Mirror truly is a shitrag - they deserve each other.

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From her wiki:
In 2009, a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission about one of Malone's columns in the News of the World which claimed that illegal immigrants receive "free cars", led to the publication of the following clarification by the paper:
On July 26, our columnist Carole Malone claimed illegal immigrants receive "free cars". :facepalm:We now accept illegal immigrants do not receive such a benefit and apologise for the error.[2][3]
On May 14, 2012, Malone said on national TV that the murders of six children were "an accident waiting to happen" because they were benefits claimants.
 
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Fingers said:
This is quite funny. An attack on Corbyn in the Daily Mirror by Carol Malone and a poll under the article which show 70% are going to be voting for him

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-elect-jeremy-corbyn-lurch-6139547
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To be honest, even a pro-Corbyn journalist would have a hard time coming up with an article that better demonstrates why people should vote for him than that. Also kudos to whoever in the Mirror's internet team thought of using the image that goes with the "Old school: Campaigner Corbyn is of the hard-bitten left" caption.
 
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