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andysays said:
The claws etc are figurative, but you were the one who said


and it's that which I'm disputing. But I'll go further and suggest that thinking that the Labour Party is any sort of tool for changing things for the better is a delusion which I urge you and others who are not already too far gone to re-consider.
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Who here thinks that really though. Im personly enjoying the OTT reaction Corbyn's leadership bid is causing in mainstream media. Dangerous ideas, don't listen to this stuff etc.

Houses with many manchans, again.
 
I'm just in this for the whining liberals, sorry but they are some of the best political entertainment I've seen in a while
 
That edgy posh liberal Graunid article filled with techno-libertarian corporate buzzwords which attacked the idea of Corbyn without actually mentioning him and instead suggested street parties and bigging up Milton Friedman has been my favourite so far.
 
J Ed said:
That edgy posh liberal Graunid article filled with techno-libertarian corporate buzzwords which attacked the idea of Corbyn without actually mentioning him and instead suggested street parties and bigging up Milton Friedman has been my favourite so far.
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I liked the 'our brave buses' bit.
The Routemaster bus, both new and old, is a prime example of an object of public love: we need many more of them
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Spoke to someone the other night who tried to tried to vote as a member of unite community, discussed upthread. He wasn't allowed to, but on the grounds that he had signed the papers of a rival candidate in the past - socialist alliance, Middlesbrough mayoral contest a decade ago (not that he was in the community bit of unite). Looks like labour keep electronic records of all other party nominations. Has anyone heard of anyone else who has been refused a vote?
 
scifisam said:
You haven't actually got claws, etc, though, have you? And if you did try to use them to fight against govt cuts you'd be in deep shit.

Also, using a vote for a Labour leader (or any vote) doesn't take away any other tools you have. Unless you fall for all they say, which even some Labour MPs don't, it seems.

J ED -I told you already what it was based on - their past performance. I only think they'd be less monstrous than the current Tories. That is not a high bar to reach. It's sad that the bar is set so low but it is.

It's basically being stuck between a rock and a hard place and choosing the rock because at least it provides some shade whereas with the hard place you're instantly cooked.
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While Ed may have reigned in some of the worst excesses of the welfare reforms, though that wasn't guaranteed, he has also talked of wanting to get rid of DLA himself, the Blairites would follow a path similar to the Tories.
 
agricola said:
To be honest, even a pro-Corbyn journalist would have a hard time coming up with an article that better demonstrates why people should vote for him than that. Also kudos to whoever in the Mirror's internet team thought of using the image that goes with the "Old school: Campaigner Corbyn is of the hard-bitten left" caption.
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He looks better now than he did then, ageing well.
 
John Mann's 'we should stop the contest because when we set up an "anyone can register as a supporter and vote for the leader" we didn't think they'd actually do that' is on a par with....Margaret Becket's 'when I said the party should have a wide choice of people to vote for, I really didn't think they'd vote for the person I allowed them to vote for'.

Clueless fuckwits. Mann is proving to be an utterly unprincipled twat. Deploying the 'you did nowt about abuse' dig at corbyn was particularly low. A bit like misusing the holocaust to win a golf club election.
 
Just in passing, as someone to the left of labour, corbyn's seeming popularity suggests there are people in and around the party with good instincts, people who feel they have permission to finally break with new labour. Nothing less than that, but probably not much more. More likely though is that labourites are reacting to the 3 blairites, not so much with contempt or hatred, just aware they simply have nothing to say, that after another defeat the whole thing has come to an end. Think I'm saying it might not all be attraction to corbyn's social democracy, just that he isn't the blairite. To some extent then, corbyn's success on a left-ish platform is a sign that labourites have discovered that the Labour Party is irrelevant.
 
Talking of which....

http://www.buzzfeed.com/izaakson/corbyn-destroys-summer-new-study-finds-1pqb0
Shocking new research has found that since Jeremy Corbyn, the bearded ultra-leftist firebrand, has taken the lead in the Labour Leadership contest, the British summer has stopped indefinitely. The UK had been enjoying an unprecedented dry spell since the Tory victory in May, the second driest since records began.

In an exclusive interview (see pages 5,6,7,8), Liz Kendall comments that, “voters have sent a very clear message: they like warm weather, and they don’t want rain. Already Corbyn is ruining our summer...
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:D
Burnham quote a classic!
 
I have to say I am impressed by this article over all, and this bit in particular

While slashing college funding, George Osborne boasts of increasing apprenticeships. Yet too many are low quality, failing to give young people the transferable skills they need to get on.

It is clear that some employers are using apprenticeships and traineeships as a means of circumventing minimum wage legislation. This has to end. The minimum wage must be equalised across the board – with no poverty rates like the current £2.73 per hour apprenticeship rate.

First time I've heard a Labour politician say what is obvious to any young person who has looked for work in the past three years or so. In fact the Labour MP Paul Blomfield actually claimed that he abstained from the welfare bill because it contained a provision for more apprenticeships.
 
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