Labour leadership

[butchersapron]

I'd support a Labour Party with the values that Corbyn seems to stand for. The Green Party largely also stands for those values, and would have supported a minority Labour government had the situation arisen.

The Labour party may choose to accept or reject this form of qualified support. That's a decision for it to make, but if it rejects that sort of support then it's dead in the water and we'll be stuck with the tories for a long while yet.

You agreed that

I support the aims and values of the Labour Party, and I am not a supporter of any organisation opposed to it.

not

I'd support a Labour Party with the values that Corbyn seems to stand for.

So, you pretty much lied. Great stuff.

 

[free spirit]

You agreed that



not



So, you pretty much lied. Great stuff.

The Labour party has chosen Corbyn to be a leadership candidate, so it's reasonable to assume that his values are in some way compatible with the Labour Party's stated values - though oddly there are no stated values within the constitution, so it's a little hard to know what they're supposed to be.

 

[butchersapron]

The Labour party has chosen Corbyn to be a leadership candidate, so it's reasonable to assume that his values are in some way compatible with the Labour Party's stated values - though oddly there are no stated values within the constitution, so it's a little hard to know what they're supposed to be.

Look at the way wriggle:

I support the aims and values of the Labour Party, and I am not a supporter of any organisation opposed to it.

Yes you are. Backbone.

 

[free spirit]

Look at the way wriggle:

Yes you are. Backbone.

I'm a member of an organisation that seeks to work in some for of partnership with Labour, and that stands in clear opposition to the Conservative party and its policies.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm a member of an organisation that seeks to work in some for of partnership with Labour, and that stands in clear opposition to the Conservative party and its policies.

Fuck off, you're in the green party - you've bought a vote in another party. A party who you oppose. Rat.

Even corbyn is telling you to fuck off.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I ain't paid the £3. As a member of GPEW I couldnt make that declaration in good conscience, though I am aware mine is not a uniform conscience.

 

[J Ed]

 

[DotCommunist]

lol communist party mentioned on the tele.

 

[J Ed]

lol communist party mentioned on the tele.

There are literally dozens of us!

 

[free spirit]

Fuck off, you're in the green party - you've bought a vote in another party. A party who you oppose. Rat.

Even corbyn is telling you to fuck off.

is he?

Shall we see what the full quote was?

Speaking on the BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show on Sunday, Corbyn welcomed the influx of Labour members since the election and said: “What is there not to like about young people turning up and being interested in politics? What it’s about is converting Labour into much more of a social movement.”

He also addressed Mann’s fears directly, saying: “I only want people to register as Labour supporters if they are genuine Labour supporters and intend to stay for the longer course.

“Surely the idea of joining a political party just to vote in a leadership election is a bit limited and we should go a bit further. The entryism I see is a lot of young people hitherto not really excited by politics coming in for the first time and saying we can have a discussion – we can discuss our debts and housing problems.”

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah: see this bit:

“I only want people to register as Labour supporters if they are genuine Labour supporters and intend to stay for the longer course.

That's where he told you to fuck off.

 

[teqniq]

Oh come on, a well known biblical phrase (yes, well known ) used to mean that we can do what you're doing and also laugh at the likes of free spirit signing something they don't agree with and other bandwagon chasers.

Not to me but thanks for the explanation anyway

 

[butchersapron]

Not to me but thanks for the explanation anyway

Heathen

 

[teqniq]

 

[free spirit]

Yeah: see this bit:



That's where he told you to fuck off.

preceded by this...

“What is there not to like about young people turning up and being interested in politics? What it’s about is converting Labour into much more of a social movement.”

and then this.

Surely the idea of joining a political party just to vote in a leadership election is a bit limited and we should go a bit further.

then there would be previous statements that clearly indicate that he doesn't view the Green Party in terms of being opposed to the Labour Party.

At present, he can see that something new is going on, transcending traditional political allegiances. ‘At a local level,’ he says, ‘people who are supporters of Labour and the Green Party actually work together on a lot of issues – probably with a few Liberal Democrats as well as others. There is going to be a change in politics in the future – look, for instance, at the growth of organisations like UK Uncut. Essentially it is a moral force.’

redpepper

But obviously what we should all do is to just leave the labour party to decide this on the basis of the membership who've stuck with it and supported it through 3 decades of increasingly neoliberal leadership. Rather than making use of the mechanisms the Labour party have themselves put in place to encourage more people to get involved in their internal democracy.

 

[YouSir]

See? And now you know.

 

[butchersapron]

preceded by this...



and then this.
then there would be previous statements that clearly indicate that he doesn't view the Green Party in terms of being opposed to the Labour Party.

redpepper

But obviously what we should all do is to just leave the labour party to decide this on the basis of the membership who've stuck with it and supported it through 3 decades of increasingly neoliberal leadership. Rather than making use of the mechanisms the Labour party have themselves put in place to encourage more people to get involved in their internal democracy.

Lots of guilty quoting there. You were asked if:

I support the aims and values of the Labour Party, and I am not a supporter of any organisation opposed to it.

And you lied on this pretty simple thing.

 

[J Ed]

There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who votes in Labour leadership elections, and one who sows discord among brothers.

 

[butchersapron]

There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who votes in Labour leadership elections, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Nicely done.

Is it worse to be a real member of the labour party or to pretend to be a member? What's the most shameful?

 

[campanula]

haughty eyes? wtf are haughty eyes?

 

[butchersapron]

haughty eyes? wtf are haughty eyes?

You dogging i up?

 

[campanula]

a little bit gnomic for me, butchers.

 

[teqniq]

haughty eyes? wtf are haughty eyes?

Could be them is like naughty eyes except maybe the LORD didn't have a keyboard to fuck up on

 

[butchersapron]

a little bit gnomic for me, butchers.

Are you looking at me in manner designed to cause mutual aggravation. Of the fistic type. You fucking want some? You and them lot behind you.

But haughty eyes probably means talking to your fathers and bothers like a norm. A bit frank booth.

 

[Libertad]

There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who votes in Labour leadership elections, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Nicely done.

Is it worse to be a real member of the labour party or to pretend to be a member? What's the most shameful?

Tricky.

 

[free spirit]

Lots of guilty quoting there. You were asked if:


And you lied on this pretty simple thing.

you can interpret it that way if you want, I don't.

If the Labour party decide to interpret it in that way then so be it, but it'd seem pretty counterproductive to exclude 50,000 people who fought the last election on a centre left anti-austerity agenda, which many local labour party candidates basically nicked wholesale to use as their platform rather than their own parties manifesto commitments, and which the national labour party borrowed several policies from.

That tribalist approach worked really well in Scotland didn't it?

 

[YouSir]

You dogging i up?

So 'haughty eyes' are the expression you put on for Dogging then?

 

[Kaka Tim]

FFS - can we please keep the thread on topic?

 

[butchersapron]

So 'haughty eyes' are the expression you put on for Dogging then?

is there a form now?

 

[DotCommunist]

FFS - can we please keep the thread on topic?

haughty keyboard