billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
I can hear the LPHQ focus group now: 'So guys, we really feel we didn't capture the Scared Bigot vote effectively enough last week, yeah?'
Labour leadership
- Thread starter oryx
- Start date
I can hear the LPHQ focus group now: 'So guys, we really feel we didn't capture the Scared Bigot vote effectively enough last week, yeah?'
If you want to write off the millions of people who didn't vote for something even vaguely progressive last week that's up to you
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
That would be fine if she was trying to engage in an argument with them. But she isn't she is trying to get their support by appealing to them.
newbie
undisambiguated
which goes back to electoral realities. If Labour alienates the Scared Bigots they lose, if they appeal to them they might stand a chance. Some sort of alternative strategy- nakedly leftist social cohesion and solidarity- is an act of faith that hasn't been tried in generations because none of the strategists think it would be successful. The mild stuff Red Ed managed, was savaged for and then failed with, tends to give credence to that.
No inspirational leftist is going to appear, win the ballot and then lead Labour to victory in the next election. Trying to re-establish credibility with the Scared Bigot vote is about the only thing the candidates can aspire to.
No inspirational leftist is going to appear, win the ballot and then lead Labour to victory in the next election. Trying to re-establish credibility with the Scared Bigot vote is about the only thing the candidates can aspire to.
Most valid thing Blair ever said (yes I know!) was something along the lines that 90% of the time 90% of people simply don't think about politics at all. And that most professional politicians hugely underestimate the extent of that disengagement.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
If there is one thing that Labour have failed most at, it is in setting the direction of debate. All they seem to do is attempt to reflect what they see as the political mood at any given time, not realising that as a national political party they have the power to influence what the mood is. The result is that the narrative is shaped by the right, who understand fully the need to mould political opinion. That is why their next leader will just be a nodding donkey for middle England.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Blair and Campbell and Mandelson understood it well enough, I think, and it showed: the only time [e2a: meant this in reference to late 90s] in my memory when the people in charge of Labour (and of course govt) actually looked like they were in charge and knew it. If you took that and allied it to a few, you know, principles, it could be pretty persuasive stuff.
Last edited:
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
This is an interesting development....
23m ago10:10
Here is the complete text of the letter from first-time Labour MPs setting out their hopes for the Labour leadership (see 9.51)
Having arrived in Westminster as newly-elected Labour MPs after speaking to tens of thousands of voters during our election campaigns, we know how important it is for the future of our Party to move forward with an agenda that best serves the everyday needs of people, families and communities and that is prepared to challenge the notion of austerity and invest in public services.
Labour must now reach out to the five million voters lost since 1997, and those who moved away from Labour in Scotland and elsewhere on 7 May, renewing their hope that politics does matter and Labour is on their side.
As we seek a new leader of the Labour Party, we are needing one who looks forward and will challenge an agenda of cuts, take on the powerful vested interests of big business and will set out an alternative to austerity – not one who will draw back to the ‘New Labour’ creed of the past.
Now is the time Labour needs a leader who’s in tune with the collective aspiration of ordinary people and communities across Britain, meeting the need for secure employment paying decent wages, homes that people can call their own, strong public services back in public hands again and the guarantee of a real apprenticeship or university course with a job at the end of it. From restoring Sure Start to providing dignity and a good standard of living in retirement, these are the aspirations key to real Labour values today and will re-engage people across our country in the years to come.
We look forward to engaging in the debate surrounding the Labour leadership in the weeks ahead to secure our Party as being best able to meet the challenges faced by ordinary people at this time.
Signed:
Here is the complete text of the letter from first-time Labour MPs setting out their hopes for the Labour leadership (see 9.51)
Having arrived in Westminster as newly-elected Labour MPs after speaking to tens of thousands of voters during our election campaigns, we know how important it is for the future of our Party to move forward with an agenda that best serves the everyday needs of people, families and communities and that is prepared to challenge the notion of austerity and invest in public services.
Labour must now reach out to the five million voters lost since 1997, and those who moved away from Labour in Scotland and elsewhere on 7 May, renewing their hope that politics does matter and Labour is on their side.
As we seek a new leader of the Labour Party, we are needing one who looks forward and will challenge an agenda of cuts, take on the powerful vested interests of big business and will set out an alternative to austerity – not one who will draw back to the ‘New Labour’ creed of the past.
Now is the time Labour needs a leader who’s in tune with the collective aspiration of ordinary people and communities across Britain, meeting the need for secure employment paying decent wages, homes that people can call their own, strong public services back in public hands again and the guarantee of a real apprenticeship or university course with a job at the end of it. From restoring Sure Start to providing dignity and a good standard of living in retirement, these are the aspirations key to real Labour values today and will re-engage people across our country in the years to come.
We look forward to engaging in the debate surrounding the Labour leadership in the weeks ahead to secure our Party as being best able to meet the challenges faced by ordinary people at this time.
Signed:
- Richard Burgon (Leeds East)
- Louise Haigh (Sheffield Heeley)
- Harry Harpham (Sheffield Brightside and Hillsborough)
- Imran Hussain (Bradford East)
- Clive Lewis (Norwich South)
- Rebecca Long Bailey (Salford and Eccles)
- Rachael Maskell (York Central)
- Kate Osamor (Edmonton)
- Cat Smith (Lancaster and Fleetwood)
- Jo Stevens (Cardiff Central)
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
So whats his game then? Perhaps he's weighing up the possibility of him not pulling it off in 5 years and deciding the long game may be better now he's got the score on what the bookies reckon to his leadership chances.
I was kinda of hoping for a Umunna, Watson and Cooper as shadow chancellor setup. Not sure who I'd favour between Cooper or Burnham now TBH.
I was kinda of hoping for a Umunna, Watson and Cooper as shadow chancellor setup. Not sure who I'd favour between Cooper or Burnham now TBH.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That would be quite Lol
skyscraper101
0891 50 50 50
They found out he was briefly in the So Solid Crew?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Perhaps his judgement is that the next election isn't winnable (as a majority?).
From the man himself; after talking about the pressure and scrutiny of being a leadership candidate:
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Sounds like code for some bad shit somewhere
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
Maybe he had a DJ epiphany last night and decided against it. I always thought he was a little too fragile for the tough leadership post.
gawkrodger
Well-Known Member
my money is on vast quantities of drugs taken in ibiza
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Yep I am now undecided whether it's skeleton in closet or letting someone else fail next time out...or a bit of both.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
My parents are Daily Mail readers and disillusioned Labour supporters who have voted socialist before and UKIP at different times, they're not scared bigots.
I talk to Daily Mail and Sun readers most days who don't seem to have very different opinions to Mirror readers and definitely are nicer people than the sort of wankers who comment on Guardian articles - would you think more of her of she did a CIF piece?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Turns out he puts beans on first then cheese on top.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Consider using **trigger** warnings for such vile shit.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
tbh I think we can just enjoy the departure of another tory presuming to lead 'the people's party'.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
tory crimes
Similar threads
