Labour leadership

[rioted]

But your mans argument is they never had it - isn't it rioted? And so he can cast out witches who think diff.

No clue, have you? Once upon a time proper discussions in the Labour Party could lead to change of policy. Since the Blair years the neutering of conference, the suspension of local branches, the imposition of candidate lists and the parachuting in of on-message candidates has negated any discussion that the grass roots can have. You, as a Labour apologist obviously disagree - no surprise there.

 

[butchersapron]

No clue, have you? Once upon a time proper discussions in the Labour Party could lead to change of policy. Since the Blair years the neutering of conference, the suspension of local branches, the imposition of candidate lists and the parachuting in of on-message candidates has negated any discussion that the grass roots can have. You, as a Labour apologist obviously disagree - no surprise there.

Astonishing, Labour was great until Blair. You've spent the last twenty years burning people for saying this. All sell outs. All idiots. This fantasy world where the leaders didn't decide policy, when did it exist?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

No clue, have you? Once upon a time proper discussions in the Labour Party could lead to change of policy. Since the Blair years the neutering of conference, the suspension of local branches, the imposition of candidate lists and the parachuting in of on-message candidates has negated any discussion that the grass roots can have. You, as a Labour apologist obviously disagree - no surprise there.

I think you'll find that branches have just as much (or as little) influence on policy now as they ever did, it's just done through different structures.

 

[belboid]

I think you'll find that branches have just as much (or as little) influence on policy now as they ever did, it's just done through different structures.

eh? They've had their power greatly reduced. No influence over manifesto. Less ability to get things on the agenda at conference. They're there for picking councillors and, if they're lucky, MP's.

 

[treelover]

It's nothing to do with discussion at all; it's purely to allow the unions to actually register their electorate. Not a great advert for the party's organisational ability tbh. And gives the vermin a free run over their first 100 days.

SNP may make interventions though

 

[treelover]

Not sure exactly when, but I think it's down the back of Ramsay MacDonald's sofa.

They were invisible for four years, and when they weren't it was to vote for things like Smiths retrospective welfare legislation

 

[treelover]

No clue, have you? Once upon a time proper discussions in the Labour Party could lead to change of policy. Since the Blair years the neutering of conference, the suspension of local branches, the imposition of candidate lists and the parachuting in of on-message candidates has negated any discussion that the grass roots can have. You, as a Labour apologist obviously disagree - no surprise there.

Sometimes the 'parachutee' can be very good, Sarah Champion, though mostly not so good, Luciana Berger

 

[rioted]

Astonishing, Labour was great until Blair. You've spent the last twenty years burning people for saying this. All sell outs. All idiots. This fantasy world where the leaders didn't decide policy, when did it exist?

You really do talk bollocks. So desperate to make a point but no point to make. Yes I have disagreed with LabourParty policy but nowhere have I said that proper discussion was not behind it. I might disagree with the conclusions, with the people making the arguements but I have always accepted that they (including most members of my family) had some chance of influencing policy. Not anymore! You still cling to the tribal loyalty, the misplaced belief that the Labour Party is the party of the working class, that it can be reclaimed from the anti-democrats. You are wrong. Get over yourself.

You seem to believe that the rank and file NEVER had a say, it was NEVER a democratic party and yet you have the gall to call me for thinking it's got a lot worse over the past 20 years. Have you got ANY point to make or are you just demonstrating windbaggery?

 

[rioted]

I think you'll find that branches have just as much (or as little) influence on policy now as they ever did, it's just done through different structures.

Which structures are they?

 

[killer b]

The idea of butchers as a Labour loyalist is a new one on me.

 

[butchersapron]

You really do talk bollocks. So desperate to make a point but no point to make. Yes I have disagreed with LabourParty policy but nowhere have I said that proper discussion was not behind it. I might disagree with the conclusions, with the people making the arguements but I have always accepted that they (including most members of my family) had some chance of influencing policy. Not anymore! You still cling to the tribal loyalty, the misplaced belief that the Labour Party is the party of the working class, that it can be reclaimed from the anti-democrats. You are wrong. Get over yourself.

You seem to believe that the rank and file NEVER had a say, it was NEVER a democratic party and yet you have the gall to call me for thinking it's got a lot worse over the past 20 years. Have you got ANY point to make or are you just demonstrating windbaggery?

Astonishing post. An actual outright lie. I invite anyone to look at this clowns posts under this name or really old hippy and agree the above summation is an accurate account of his views. Total fabrication.

 

[brogdale]

SNP may make interventions though

I'm sure that they will, after all they have a leader, a mandate and a clear policy programme with which to oppose the vermin. All of which will highlight the inertia and ineffectiveness of HML opposition.

It is clear that the vermin coalition were able to construct their narrative, that ultimately undid Miliband, in the first 100 days of that administration. It is absurd that Labour should allow them to do the same again with added ammunition.

 

[rioted]

The idea of butchers as a Labour loyalist is a new one on me.

He blows with the wind. Will use any arguement if he thinks he can score a point.

 

[brogdale]

The idea of butchers as a Labour loyalist is a new one on me.

Are we Blair yet?

 

[rioted]

Astonishing post. An actual outright lie. I invite anyone to look at this clowns posts under this name or really old hippy and agree the above summation is an accurate account of his views. Total fabrication.

Astonishing post. More fabrication. More lies. More distortion. Just like always.

 

[butchersapron]

Astonishing post. More fabrication. More lies. More distortion. Just like always.

I don't have a a long series of articles from you from the eighties arguing the Labour party was never under the memberships control then? How interesting to find that you know think it was.

 

[rioted]

I don't have a a long series of articles from you from the eighties arguing the Labour party was never under the memberships control then? How interesting to find that you know think it was.

LOL! Go on then, post them up! As far as I know the internet wasn't invented back then, and if it was I wasn't posting on it.

Interesting though that you keep records on everyone. Or is it just those you perceive as a threat? Worse than GCHQ.
ETA: did I misread that or did you edit it. So what you're saying is that you've got NO evidence for your pathetic accusations.

 

[andysays]

...You seem to believe that the rank and file NEVER had a say, it was NEVER a democratic party and yet you have the gall to call me for thinking it's got a lot worse over the past 20 years...

Whatever you say anyone else may or may not believe, can you point to any significant examples where the rank and file of the Labour party were ever able to have a genuine influence on party policy as it was actually exercised, ie when they weren't either over-ruled or ignored by party or union leadership?

All that's happened in the past 20 years (if not before) is that it's become impossible for rank and file hopefuls (except for the utterly deluded) to have any further illusions about where the power really lies.

 

[killer b]

How does this:

You still cling to the tribal loyalty, the misplaced belief that the Labour Party is the party of the working class, that it can be reclaimed from the anti-democrats. You are wrong. Get over yourself.

suggest this?

He blows with the wind. Will use any arguement if he thinks he can score a point.

so full of shit.

 

[butchersapron]

LOL! Go on then, post them up! As far as I know the internet wasn't invented back then, and if it was I wasn't posting on it.

Interesting though that you keep records on everyone. Or is it just those you perceive as a threat? Worse than GCHQ.

Who mentioned the internet? Reading the anarchist press in the past, and remembering things. State!

Again, Labour and your name in the search box shows the self serving lies you've just came out with.

 

[Santino]

The idea of butchers as a Labour loyalist is a new one on me.

I haven't heard him condemn them for a while.

 

[rioted]

Who mentioned the internet? Reading the anarchist press in the past, and remembering things. State!

Again, Labour and your name in the search box shows the self serving lies you've just came out with.

I've just done that. Here's one of my posts from 2013:

TBF Labour introduced tuition fees. At the time I was in protracted correspondence with Labour MPs who, like me, were grammar school educated working class kids who had grants to get to university. Now pulling up the ladder behind them. They all voted for a measure that would deny kids like them the chances they had. Arseholes. But did I really expect any different?

Protracted dicussion. But being only two years ago. Now you find one that proves your point. If you have one. I don't think you actually know what "proper discussion" is.

 

[rioted]

How does this:



suggest this?


so full of shit.

You don't think Labour Loyalists will use any means to score a point if it suits their purpose? How odd.

 

[killer b]

so we're back on butchers being a labour loyalist?

what an odd fantasy world you live in.

 

[Blagsta]

You don't think Labour Loyalists will use any means to score a point if it suits their purpose? How odd.

Butchers a Labour loyalist? Are you on crack?

 

[danny la rouge]

What the fuck is going on here?

 

[brogdale]

What the fuck is going on here?

Fucknose

But...

29m ago11:47

Labour will announce new leader on 12 September, reports say
The Press Association is reporting that Labour’s national executive committee will choose a shorter leadership campaign, meaning the winner would be in place by the party conference at the end of September.

Balloting is expected to open in mid-August, leaving three months for campaigning by the candidates, with the results announced on 12 September.

That's 127 days after the result of the GE were known.

 

[andysays]

...

That's 127 days after the result of the GE were known.

Looks like this thread could go on for a while...

 

[killer b]

We're getting the oddball digressions in early so we can focus more later in the campaign.

 

[butchersapron]

i'm going on a coastal path walk from crantock to the bowgie inn. rioted may scan through his old copes of NAN at his leisure.