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Evander said:

Here's a thing though: Saddam had to be stopped in his ambition toward regional expansion; I wonder what the region would be like now had he not been stopped? So Corbyn was wrong. Our mistake was to stay there too long; we should've fucked off as soon as that statue was toppled . . . there would have been a certain symbolism to it, such as 'Job done - we're outta here.'?
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how about you take your ahistorical nonsense to another thread - or indeed - internet site?
 
treelover said:
So few on here for the main event, shows how P/P has declined in popularity?
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its better than it was. perhaps few are on here because its a saturday morning, theres nothing to be done or argued about at this late stage, and there are far better things to be done on a sunny morning in september.

i'm on a train, and very bored.
 
dialectician said:
Crude workerism, not to mention inherently orientalist, as if the British working-class is mainly composed of Brits. great we haven't moved beyond 1930. Off to the labour party with you and leering at women in pubs. How are you going to appeal to the BME w/c and all those dependent on the wage fund like this?

You were probably a student at one point so you can fuck off with this purer than thou I'm more working-class than you look at me gosh aren't I special snowflake rhetoric. My inability to organise at the moment is none of your concern (not to mention discriminative) but given that you'll probably end up some kind of right winger in your old age and who knows (siding with fash, to preserve your workerism) I shouldn't be surprised.

And the real enemy is labour and the left. The tories are a bunch of incompetent blobs of cowshit. They can't disguise their real motives if they wanted to. You'd make a terrible military strategist. :p
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Just to correct your assumptions because I really can't be arsed with your spittle-flecked diatribe, I'm well into my 40s with no intention of moving any further to the right than I already have and am part of a BME household with a dual heritage kid. And I've worked with plenty of racist Tory voters that weren't white too.
 
dialectician said:
Crude workerism, not to mention inherently orientalist, as if the British working-class is mainly composed of Brits. great we haven't moved beyond 1930. Off to the labour party with you and leering at women in pubs. How are you going to appeal to the BME w/c and all those dependent on the wage fund like this?

You were probably a student at one point so you can fuck off with this purer than thou I'm more working-class than you look at me gosh aren't I special snowflake rhetoric. My inability to organise at the moment is none of your concern (not to mention discriminative) but given that you'll probably end up some kind of right winger in your old age and who knows (siding with fash, to preserve your workerism) I shouldn't be surprised.

And the real enemy is labour and the left. The tories are a bunch of incompetent blobs of cowshit. They can't disguise their real motives if they wanted to. You'd make a terrible military strategist. :p
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Just to correct your assumptions because I really can't be arsed with your spittle-flecked diatribe, I'm well into my 40s with no intention of moving any further to the right than I already have and am part of a BME household with a dual heritage kid. And I've worked with plenty of racist Tory voters that weren't white too.
 
dialectician said:
I'm not arguing that people should have voted Burnham or whatever. I'm just making the point that the inevitable failure of Corbyn (given such a low level of class consciousness at the moment) is bound to have negative repercussions. I find it utterly sickening that the Corbynites won't consider this.
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Of course they won't consider it. They're attempting to practice realpolitik in the world as-it-is (as they see it), not in the world as-they-want-it-to-be.
That requires that they operate on the principle of accommodating capitalism and (as with original post-war social-democratic politics) ameliorating the effects through policy. it doesn't require that they seek and maintain a state of ideological and revolutionary purity.

Anti-austerity isn't radical within itself, despite what some might like to think.
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The above statement depends entirely on how you define "radical". We aren't all keyed into theoretical insight to the degree that you are, so for some mere resistance of any form is indeed "radical".
 
J Ed said:
Yeah the delight in the voice of that 'analyst' about the idea of Corbyn being overwhelmed was obvious, they hate him
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the cunts had the cheek to sit their and go 'people want a party that isn't just a paler shade of conseravative' like he's imparting deep wisdom. We pay that dicks wages so he can offer up such banal, 7 month old observations as stunning analysis? cheap fucker
 
DotCommunist said:
the cunts had the cheek to sit their and go 'people want a party that isn't just a paler shade of conseravative' like he's imparting deep wisdom. We pay that dicks wages so he can offer up such banal, 7 month old observations as stunning analysis? cheap fucker
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I liked when earlier they were trying to imply that Corbyn was extreme cos his supporters were singing the Red Flag.

Fancy that, singing a Labour Party song at a Labour Party event. The cheek of it.
 
oryx said:
I foresee a win for Corbyn tomorrow (hope so) amid sour grapes, questions being asked about the ballot, & legal challenges which will drag on and on.

The Blairites/New Labour/centrists will not easily accept that the party's grassroots and new supporters want a fresh, honest, anti-austerity approach free of spin and bullshit.
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Much as the other runners (also-rans?) profess that they'll just get on with things and not get sucked into internal strife, there are too many members of the PLP invested in Blairism for them to not try to wreck Corbyn's leadership (if he wins). Remember that for most of the PLP, this isn't about the possibility that a Labour Party under Corbyn might serve people better, it's about their political careers, besides which our needs and desires are meaningless (from their perspective). I certainly know (from his own self-serving behaviour and utterances) that this is what my MP thinks.
 
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