kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
Didn't it? Look where we are now.
Labour leadership
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taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Is Butchers coming back? 
panpete
Blokes name, birds body.
why dont you suggest it to him, he might like it.
i like corbyn as he has no ego
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
I foresee a win for Corbyn tomorrow (hope so) amid sour grapes, questions being asked about the ballot, & legal challenges which will drag on and on.
The Blairites/New Labour/centrists will not easily accept that the party's grassroots and new supporters want a fresh, honest, anti-austerity approach free of spin and bullshit.
The Blairites/New Labour/centrists will not easily accept that the party's grassroots and new supporters want a fresh, honest, anti-austerity approach free of spin and bullshit.
ManchesterBeth
Well-Known Member
I'm not arguing that people should have voted Burnham or whatever. I'm just making the point that the inevitable failure of Corbyn (given such a low level of class consciousness at the moment) is bound to have negative repercussions. I find it utterly sickening that the Corbynites won't consider this.
Anti-austerity isn't radical within itself, despite what some might like to think.
maomao
普費斯
Well I find it sickening when smug student radicals choose to direct their ire at the actual working class for being positive about a possible route to more dignified and secure lives rather than attacking the real enemy.
And anti-austerity may be less than radical in the grand scheme of things but after 3+ decades of relentless neoliberalism it's a significant step to the left. Whereas taking the hardest anti-capitalist position available ain't all that radical if you're just farting about on the internet and never had to argue your opinions in a workplace full of racist tory voters.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Not long to wait now? What a choice though - 3 light-weight career politicians and a populist rabble-rouser? Come back Tony, all is forgiven.
Really?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Yes, really - and it seems to be working!
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Not long to wait now? What a choice though - 3 light-weight career politicians and a populist rabble-rouser? Come back Tony, all is forgiven.
Corbyn is the polar opposite of a "populist rabble-rouser". Hes more like a character in one of those films where the quiet, mild mannered, hapless nobody accidentally ends up as a hero whilst foiling the machinations of the powerful baddies - and winning the heart of his sweetheart. Played by Norman Wisdom/Jim Dale/Richard Pryor.
He's more trot geography teacher.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Pretty shit trolling, to be honest.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
So how does this populist rabble rousing make it self manifest; just so we all know what we're talking about?
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Here's just one of his Defence policies: I don't feel inclined to go through his entire manifesto.
"Bombing Syria will "kill many people" and may not defeat Isil, Jeremy Corbyn has said in the strongest indication yet he will block David Cameron's attempts to launch air strikes in the country. Mr Corbyn has called for a "radically different international policy", based on "political and not military solutions"."
What does Jeremy Corbyn stand for?
Essentially he's saying that we should propitiate IS by holding peace talks.
Totally meaningless - unless anyone thinks IS will grab the offer while it's still open? This is not an anti-Corbyn observation because the others will probably have the same thing in mind.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Oh dear, where do they come from? 
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
No he isn't
Oh dear, where do they come from?
Are you going to put me right then? Or just throw a pointless snide remark in my direction and run away?
What is he suggesting then?
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Here's just one of his Defence policies: I don't feel inclined to go through his entire manifesto.
"Bombing Syria will "kill many people" and may not defeat Isil, Jeremy Corbyn has said in the strongest indication yet he will block David Cameron's attempts to launch air strikes in the country. Mr Corbyn has called for a "radically different international policy", based on "political and not military solutions"."
What does Jeremy Corbyn stand for?
Essentially he's saying that we should propitiate IS by holding peace talks.
Totally meaningless - unless anyone thinks IS will grab the offer while it's still open? This is not an anti-Corbyn observation because the others will probably have the same thing in mind.
Even if your characterisation was accurate (i.e. Corbyn seeks to 'propitiate IS by holding peace talks'), in what way would that constitute 'populist rabble rousing'? You might want to take a look at opinion polling re. RAF air strikes against ISIS.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I think, given the quality of your responses on this thread so far, it's the best I can manage.
You seem familiar, btw.
Saying things in the public arena for no other reason than knowing it's what an audience wants to hear is populist rabble-rousing by any other name.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Is it not possible he is saying things he actually believes in?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
At no point has Corbyn suggested that the peace talks should involve ISIS, from that point onwards I am sure that you can work it out.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Not if it isn't popular; see my reference to public opinion polling.
Also what action is he trying to rouse the rabble to?
Using a political cliche such as 'populist rabble rousing' needs some content to give it real resonance - e.g. it works in relation to Farage's anti immigration protestations - so far you haven't provided any such content.
All in all your contributions would be better if they were a little clearer and harder edged; a little more diamantine.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Well if he doesn't want to engage IS militarily, then he must mean diplomatically?
Sifta
So let's not talk of love and flowers
"Obama said Russia would have to start using diplomacy rather than force to counter the influence of Islamic State militants. He said the group posed more of a threat to Russia than to the United States because of the country's large Muslim population."
Russia tells Washington: talk to us over Syria or risk 'unintended incidents'
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