Labour leadership

[ViolentPanda]

oddly enough I don't care about the tory reaction to a corbyn victory. They'll just do what they always do (trying to sly in an anti-union bill atm). I want to see the salt tears on the face of labour rightists. Fuck knows where the corbynmobile will go or what will happen but its got to be worth it to see mandleson negging (when did he start sporting hipster glases? I recall him as younger and more raptorish. It comes to us all I suppose)

Hamface is already playing the "the Labour left are even more economically incompetent than the Labour right" card in the media today. And this from a man whose chancellor buttfucked the economy into a "double-dip" recession.

 

[kebabking]

Hamface is already playing the "the Labour left are even more economically incompetent than the Labour right" card in the media today. And this from a man whose chancellor buttfucked the economy into a "double-dip" recession.

Interestingly, the conversations I've had regarding Corbyn aren't so much critical of his economics - which are Keynesian and he could point to a dozen Tory governments that held similar views - but his overseas and defence policies. In truth, he'll be crucified on that platform, by public opinion let alone the media, and the govt have half a dozen defence/foreign affairs issues coming up where a good 70% of the PLP will fundamentally agree with the govt and disagree with Corbyn. It will be interesting to see if he opposes them and whether the PLP takes his directions.

 

[Artaxerxes]

And this from a man whose chancellor buttfucked the economy into a "double-dip" recession.

But he did make the right people very rich which is what matters... now remember, Labour can't be trusted with the economy!

 

[J Ed]

Interestingly, the conversations I've had regarding Corbyn aren't so much critical of his economics - which are Keynesian and he could point to a dozen Tory governments that held similar views - but his overseas and defence policies. In truth, he'll be crucified on that platform, by public opinion let alone the media, and the govt have half a dozen defence/foreign affairs issues coming up where a good 70% of the PLP will fundamentally agree with the govt and disagree with Corbyn. It will be interesting to see if he opposes them and whether the PLP takes his directions.

It's interesting that the establishment has chosen to use foreign policy and culture war shit (he hates our troops etc) as a strategy for attacking Corbyn, it makes me think that they are genuinely more afraid of a prominent opposition to neoliberal economics than I thought that they would be.

 

[kebabking]

It's interesting that the establishment has chosen to use foreign policy and culture war shit (he hates our troops etc) as a strategy for attacking Corbyn, it makes me think that they are genuinely more afraid of a prominent opposition to neoliberal economics than I thought that they would be.

i think you wildly overstate the 'establishments' attachment to the thatcherism+ policies of the current government. moreover, no one peddles the infantile crap you accuse them of - i'm not sure anyone believes Corbyn hates anyone, he appears to be an extremely nice man who treats everyone he meets with courtesy and respect - they object to him because they believe his viewpoint on ODP is naive in the extreme and will do enormous damage to the UK long term safety and interests.

 

[DotCommunist]

its basically what they have. This bloke says you don't have to eat shit no more, there are other ways to deal with deficits that don't include slashing and burning the public sector and will bring back a participatory form of politics, the sort of stuff your dad told you labour used to be about. I'm just suprised they haven't gone full zinoviev yet given the 'friend of the terrorist' stuff hasn't had much traction.

no way the vested interest and MoD is ever letting any government fuck them long term. Stocked full of 'governments come and go, we remain' sorts

 

[Mr Moose]

It's interesting that the establishment has chosen to use foreign policy and culture war shit (he hates our troops etc) as a strategy for attacking Corbyn, it makes me think that they are genuinely more afraid of a prominent opposition to neoliberal economics than I thought that they would be.

They absolutely are and well done Jezza for making them afraid by shifting public discourse 10 feet to the left.

But he has massive challenges if elected. He can't gaff his way to power by, for example, holding forthright opinions on leaving NATO. He has to both set, but also toe, a party line and look like he means it. That's the Parliamentary game. Absolutely fascinating to see what happens.

 

[killer b]

stop calling him jezza. it's revolting.

 

[DotCommunist]

I will get C-Byn into common usage on these boards if it kills me in the process

 

[killer b]

I shall prepare a wreath.

 

[J Ed]

i think you wildly overstate the 'establishments' attachment to the thatcherism+ policies of the current government.

Do I? 'Red Ed' was considered 'too left' for the media establishment and significant parts of the Labour Party itself. What Corbyn isn't proposing isn't massively radical from a disinterested, objective point of view but it is surely to the left of whatever Ed Miliband's tinkering on the edges of neoliberalism would have amounted to.

moreover, no one peddles the infantile crap you accuse them of - i'm not sure anyone believes Corbyn hates anyone, he appears to be an extremely nice man who treats everyone he meets with courtesy and respect - they object to him because they believe his viewpoint on ODP is naive in the extreme and will do enormous damage to the UK long term safety and interests.

Of course they are peddling it, how many articles have we had about how Corbyn 'loves' 'terrorists', is an anti-Semite and/or backer of anti-Semites? Cameron even explicitly mentioned the 'friends of Hamas' stuff at PMQs this week, and a Panorama programme this week tried to imply that Corbyn called for attacks on British troops even though their 'proof' of this purely guilt by very weak association.

 

[J Ed]

stop calling him jezza. it's revolting.

Yes, it reminds me of the Kyle monster

I will get C-Byn into common usage on these boards if it kills me in the process

I prefer Corbae

 

[Mr Moose]

stop calling him jezza. it's revolting.

Corbo.

 

[Mr Moose]

The Corbinator. The Corbmeister General.

 

[J Ed]

I honestly cannot get over that Osborne interview in the New Statesman.

It is now easily the worst publication in Britain in my eyes, I will buy The Scum before I ever buy the New Statesman and I will never buy The Scum.

 

[Buckaroo]

C-Byn Laden

 

[Santino]

Corba the Dread

 

[Mr Moose]

Roy Corbison.

 

[spliff]

I would have thought J.C. was enough.

It worked for that other fella.

 

[killer b]

as long as no fucker posts 'jez we can' tomorrow lunchtime.

 

[kebabking]

...media establishment and significant parts of the Labour Party.. ..articles.. ..Cameron.. ..Panorama..

sorry, i thought you were talking about serious people, rather than wibbling cranks, MP's and the Media - or, if you prefer, wibbling cranks like MP's and the Media.

 

[killer b]

Anyway, my prediction: the sudden change in the LP establishment's position in the last week (and Corbyn's positively radiant smile in the Snow interview yesterday) point to a decisive win for Corbyn. I'll stick my neck out and say 60%, just because it'll poetically match the recent Greek referendum results (and probably be followed by a similar level of disappointment)

 

[Sprocket.]

I would have thought J.C. was enough.

It worked for that other fella.

It could be after another famous J.C come next March 15th
I can set the scene J.C stood atop the steps into parliament when his cohorts rush him, his last utterance, et tu Burnham!

 

[agricola]

It could be after another famous J.C come next March 15th
I can set the scene J.C stood atop the steps into parliament when his cohorts rush him, his last utterance, et tu Burnham!

"beware the snides of March"

 

[maomao]

I hold no hope of anything good coming of this whole thing except perhaps the window of public debate moving 3 millimeters or so to the left. But it will be satisfying on some level if a British electorate when presented with the rare opportunity of voting for someone who isn't a complete vapid cunt take that opportunity.

 

[belboid]

I would have thought J.C. was enough.

It worked for that other fella.

Well, Julian Cope is doing okay, but he ain't likely to get elected to anything very soon.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

RE the current establishment being hostile to anything opposing neoliberalism, well Keynesian strategy is a kind of economic containment with heavy nationalistic overtones. There's simply no way of British EconNat being remotely viable at this juncture in time unless they can push the burden onto external states, because, after all, for Keynesianism to be successful it would still have to include immigrants in its definition of nationhood.

You need a heavy industrial consumer goods export oriented economy and overbloated military sector for this to be remotely feasible. The sad truth is that if someone like Burnam wins it'll probably be better for the labour left - oh the irony!

Keynesianism only really works after the destruction of value and capital, as can be seen from the post-war settlement. But no, ignoramuses and potty-peeing philistines never learn...

The only way Corbynmania could actually work is if the far right gain traction a la UKIP, start severely limiting imigration and (re)constituting a kind of British identity. Without this the economics simply don't follow. You need to kill EU sentiment, as well, preferably get Britain out of the EU. I repeat, these potty-peeing philistines are doomed to reenact the failures of history.

 

[DotCommunist]

I hold no hope of anything good coming of this whole thing except perhaps the window of public debate moving 3 millimeters or so to the left. But it will be satisfying on some level if a British electorate when presented with the rare opportunity of voting for someone who isn't a complete vapid cunt take that opportunity.

If c-byn got in and was able to push forward with a council house building scheme, well it aint the revolution is it but if it makes peoples lives a bit easier in the meantime and gives people work in the building. Thats ok. I can't rail against it. I'll never vote Labour though. They spat on us for too long. Its odd you know, I expect my elders to be more astute and yet so many are straight on the C-Wagon like its a red dawn or some shit. Fuckit, at least PMQ's mightget worth watching again. Lets see if Cam tries to out beard him by growing his own divorce beard. Or a comically long villain tash that he can twirl. Exciting times

 

[Argonia]

C-byn

 

[maomao]

If c-byn got in and was able to push forward with a council house building scheme, well it aint the revolution is it but if it makes peoples lives a bit easier in the meantime and gives people work in the building. Thats ok. I can't rail against it. I'll never vote Labour though. They spat on us for too long. Its odd you know, I expect my elders to be more astute and yet so many are straight on the C-Wagon like its a red dawn or some shit. Fuckit, at least PMQ's mightget worth watching again. Lets see if Cam tries to out beard him by growing his own divorce beard. Or a comically long villain tash that he can twirl. Exciting times

I always claim I'm going to vote SCP and end up voting Labour out of pure unadulterated fear, cursing my cowardice in the polling booth. I could probably persuade myself that voting for C-Byn was vaguely positive in some way or other.