Labour leadership

[Wilf]

Pope Susie Boniface...er, Fleet Street Fox tells us why Corbyn is bad. She's left it a bit late for this hatchet-job. No?
Why Jeremy Corbyn is the worst person in the world to lead the Labour Party

A weird piece of shit hurling to be sure. Bizarrely though, in a monkey's and typewriters way, it does point to point to the problem Corbyn will have in trying to revive social democracy. Many of the levers are no longer there and he's just not going to overturn decades of privatisation, kick the spiv-managers out of the NHS, local government etc. Regardless of the fact that he'll be leading a party that is in most of it's structures and certainly it's MPs, neo-liberal, I've not heard really creative solutions coming from him.

Edit: for what it's worth, I don't accept the kind of political economy that says structural issues and neoliberal globalisation rule out anything but the Con-New Lab consensus. There's a role for choice and genuine politics. But if you want to do political projects work needs to be done (both Thatcherism and New Lab were a long time in the making). I don't see much groundwork having been done to revive Corbyn's social democracy. In that sense at least, the journos are right, it is a kind of protest movement that has unexpectedly come to power (at least in the party).

 

[Vintage Paw]

When I got to the third laboured metaphor I wanted to stamp on my laptop, never mind the rest of the guff Boniface was spouting.

 

[Pickman's model]

such a brainfart of wrong lol. This stood out to me as quite ignorant indeed:



Farage is an able politician. He's taken a kilroy-silk bad joke of a party to a position of respecatbility (ish) and won near 4 mill votes. Ruthlessly quashed internal coups and hoofed out the mouthiest mentals. Thats before we even look at how well the party has performed in councillors etc.
Farage is a strategist and pretty good at the game he plays. His pragmatism has been on display everytime the cunt boots out some swively eyed sort who brought the party into disrepute. As for the rest, well its all just the usual wannabe arch shit you expect.

If they don't keep the powder dry they'll run out of shit to fling lol

not to mention this

1983 traditionally before 1993.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Frank's prediction: Corbyn will be just shy of 50% in the first round, and Burnham will claw his way in on second preference votes. The resultant uproar and cries of foul play will largely fail to make the transition from the internet into the real world and will soon die out when it becomes clear that Corbyn himself can't be bothered to make a fuss about it and in fact never really expected to win even when the polls and the bookies all had him as a dead cert.

Burnham's Labour party will continue to be a hollow shell of nothingness, occasionally proposing something slightly progressive in a half-arsed sort of way but never actually winning an argument about anything and never managing to hold Cameron's coke-addled wrecking crew of a goverment to account for anything. Meanwhile the tories, safe in the knowledge that they have no effective opposition, will continue to ransack the country and destroy whatever they can't sell to the lowest bidder, until we've basically become a client state for oligarchs and offshore tycoons.

 

[JHE]

Frank's prediction: Corbyn will be just shy of 50% in the first round, and Burnham will claw his way in on second preference votes.

My guess is Labour HQ is not conducting the count in complete secrecy and all the candidates - either directly or via people in their campaign teams - have heard how things are going. Noises from a couple of the non-Corbyn camps seem at least highly consistent with an expected Corbyn win and the fact that the Corbyn team is playing down the scandal of many people who were entitled to vote not getting the opportunity suggests they are pretty confident of having won.

 

[DotCommunist]

oddly enough I don't care about the tory reaction to a corbyn victory. They'll just do what they always do (trying to sly in an anti-union bill atm). I want to see the salt tears on the face of labour rightists. Fuck knows where the corbynmobile will go or what will happen but its got to be worth it to see mandleson negging (when did he start sporting hipster glases? I recall him as younger and more raptorish. It comes to us all I suppose)

 

[Wilf]

My guess is Labour HQ is not conducting the count in complete secrecy and all the candidates - either directly or via people in their campaign teams - have heard how things are going. Noises from a couple of the non-Corbyn camps seem at least highly consistent with an expected Corbyn win and the fact that the Corbyn team is playing down the scandal of many people who were entitled to vote not getting the opportunity suggests they are pretty confident of having won.

I've had a feeling that something like Frank's scenario might be true, or indeed Corbyn getting even less. However I've been persuaded by the general assumption that Corbyn has won (something like the process I went through on the general election). However I think yours is a good point, we'd be hearing more noises off if Corbyn hasn't won. Not sure how they run the count (electoral reform society?)? The electronic 2nd and 3rd preferences are presumably allocated automatically, but there must be a point where the paper ballots are counted and factored in. That at least must have been observed by the candidates agents, so there would have been a chance for them to see who is winning.

 

[laptop]

the corbynmobile

 

[agricola]

But if you want to do political projects work needs to be done (both Thatcherism and New Lab were a long time in the making). I don't see much groundwork having been done to revive Corbyn's social democracy. In that sense at least, the journos are right, it is a kind of protest movement that has unexpectedly come to power (at least in the party).

TBH quite a lot of the groundwork has been done simply by the failure of New Labour to do anything meaningful, and the absurdity of the situation whereby the state privatizes most of its functions and then pays more to have them carried out.

 

[DotCommunist]

less a battle bus and more a holiday in skeggy vehicle

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Is that Jimmy Saville driving?

 

[J Ed]

Is that Jimmy Saville driving?

Obv a Thatch mobile

 

[JHE]

I think there's only one top Labour politician who has a vehicle similar to that: Margaret Beckett. I've had a soft spot for her ever since I found out she and her husband love caravaning.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Not pictured: Andy Burnham's Battle Ambulance and Liz Kendall's Mk III Panzer of Compassion and Aspiration.

 

[treelover]

Blimey, no wonder he may win, does anyone know where this is?

Tolpuddle?

btw, apparently Daniel Radcliffe is backing Corbyn.

 

[DotCommunist]

Blimey, no wonder he may win, does anyone know where this is?

The mount. You can tell cos just out of shot his team are distributing the loaves and fishes.

 

[Celyn]

I read a tweet from a woman who's a Labour supporter who claimed she was "the most left-wing person" she knew. She was going to vote for Cooper solely on the basis that she's a woman.

Oh woe.

 

[Sprocket.]

less a battle bus and more a holiday in skeggy vehicle

In as much as you go to Skeggy you could end up in a battle!

 

[Wilf]

Tolpuddle?

btw, apparently Daniel Radcliffe is backing Corbyn.

Neoliberalism Expelliarmus!

 

[Wilf]

The mount. You can tell cos just out of shot his team are distributing the loaves and fishes.

"Blessed are the cheesemakers, provided they are nationalised or working in an ill defined workers co-op"

 

[belboid]

Blimey, no wonder he may win, does anyone know where this is?

Burston School Strike Rally

 

[DotCommunist]

I think there's only one top Labour politician who has a vehicle similar to that: Margaret Beckett. I've had a soft spot for her ever since I found out she and her husband love caravaning.

I think corbyn looks like a man who appreciates the four beds and intergral toilet afforded to one who purchases a Corniche Swift

 

[Pickman's model]

I think corbyn looks like a man who appreciates the four beds and intergral toilet afforded to one who purchases a Corniche Swift

you're never alone with a corbyn

 

[J Ed]

Adorbs Corbs

 

[skyscraper101]

When Becket was foreign sec, she was apparently not much loved by special branch, who had hoped of accompanying her during the summer recess to some sun drenched location on holiday. Instead they had to follow her about in her caravan as she pitched up at various drab British locations.

 

[DotCommunist]

When Becket was foreign sec, she was apparently not much loved by special branch, who had hoped of accompanying her during the summer recess to some sun drenched location on holiday. Instead they had to follow her about in her caravan as she pitched up at various drab British locations.

that was a real lesson in the nature of the enemy that Cameron was tanning his balls in Tuscany while Tottenham burned.

 

[kebabking]

When Becket was foreign sec, she was apparently not much loved by special branch, who had hoped of accompanying her during the summer recess to some sun drenched location on holiday. Instead they had to follow her about in her caravan as she pitched up at various drab British locations.

we met her and hubby on a caravan holiday once, she was pitched up next to us. they were both very nice - hubby helped with some electrics and she made tea. it was the House of Cards meets Terry and June.

 

[laptop]

we met her and hubby on a caravan holiday once, she was pitched up next to us. they were both very nice - hubby helped with some electrics and she made tea. it was the House of Cards meets Terry and June.

But how were her... entourage?

 

[Santino]

it was the House of Cards meets Terry and June.

That episode where they have a threesome?

 

[kebabking]

But how were her... entourage?

She didn't have one, this was after she was FCO, probably about 2012. The close protection rozzers i've met we're either lazy or had a wild over-estimation of their abilities...