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Louis MacNeice said:
Not if it isn't popular; see my reference to public opinion polling.

Also what action is he trying to rouse the rabble to?

Using a political cliche such as 'populist rabble rousing' needs some content to give it real resonance - e.g. it works in relation to Farage's anti immigration protestations - so far you haven't provided any such content.

All in all your contributions would be better if they were a little clearer and harder edged; a little more diamantine.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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In this instance - to make the 'rabble' believe there's a possibility that diplomacy (rather than confrontation) is the solution to stopping IS, when it most certainly isn't?
 
maomao said:
Well I find it sickening when smug student radicals choose to direct their ire at the actual working class for being positive about a possible route to more dignified and secure lives rather than attacking the real enemy.

And anti-austerity may be less than radical in the grand scheme of things but after 3+ decades of relentless neoliberalism it's a significant step to the left. Whereas taking the hardest anti-capitalist position available ain't all that radical if you're just farting about on the internet and never had to argue your opinions in a workplace full of racist tory voters.
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Crude workerism, not to mention inherently orientalist, as if the British working-class is mainly composed of Brits. great we haven't moved beyond 1930. Off to the labour party with you and leering at women in pubs. How are you going to appeal to the BME w/c and all those dependent on the wage fund like this?

You were probably a student at one point so you can fuck off with this purer than thou I'm more working-class than you look at me gosh aren't I special snowflake rhetoric. My inability to organise at the moment is none of your concern (not to mention discriminative) but given that you'll probably end up some kind of right winger in your old age and who knows (siding with fash, to preserve your workerism) I shouldn't be surprised.

And the real enemy is labour and the left. The tories are a bunch of incompetent blobs of cowshit. They can't disguise their real motives if they wanted to. You'd make a terrible military strategist. :p
 
Evander said:
In this instance - to make the 'rabble' believe there's a possibility that diplomacy (rather than confrontation) is the solution to stopping IS, when it most certainly isn't?
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So he's raising the 'rabble' with an unpopular policy (you still haven't looked at the opinion polling have you?), and he's getting them to believe something. It's all rather more tutting letters to the Guardian than burning torches and pitch forks isn't it?

Rather than carry on defending your inaccurate use of populist rabble rousing you could have a rethink about how you could rephrase your assertion; maybe something along the lines of 'playing to the left wing gallery' would suit your purposes?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
dialectician said:
Crude workerism, not to mention inherently orientalist, as if the British working-class is mainly composed of Brits. great we haven't moved beyond 1930. Off to the labour party with you and leering at women in pubs. How are you going to appeal to the BME w/c and all those dependent on the wage fund like this?

You were probably a student at one point so you can fuck off with this purer than thou I'm more working-class than you look at me gosh aren't I special snowflake rhetoric. My inability to organise at the moment is none of your concern (not to mention discriminative) but given that you'll probably end up some kind of right winger in your old age and who knows (siding with fash) to preserve your workerism) I shouldn't be surprised.
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I think you've won us all over with the above; and if you haven't then that's just evidence that we are at best would be right wingers, and at worst enablers of fascism.

Good work - Louis MacNeice
 
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Louis MacNeice said:
So he's raising the 'rabble' with an unpopular policy (you still haven't looked at the opinion polling have you?), and he's getting them to believe something. It's all rather more tutting letters to the Guardian than burning torches and pitch forks isn't it?

Rather than carry on defending your inaccurate use of populist rabble rousing you could have a rethink about how you could rephrase your assertion; maybe something along the lines of 'playing to the left wing gallery' would suit your purposes?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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Alright then, delete 'populist rabble rousing' and insert 'left wing gallery'. It's only a question of semantics. Incidentally my views are my own - I'm not persuaded by opinion polls.
 
he - like many other people - is arguing that only way to improve the situation in the region is to engage all the main players in negotiations - i.e. Syria, Iran, the gulf states, the US, Russia - NOT ISIS.
How is this "rabble rousing"? rabble rousing is whipping up popular sentiment by an appeal to the emotions - i.e. scare mongering about immigrants. Perhaps you should go away and look into what commonly phrases actually like "rabble rousing" (or "trolling") actually mean,
 
andysays said:
Can you explain how the British working class isn't composed mainly of Brits?
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Fine, white Brits. Whatever. It's like yay we're so against identity politics blah blah oh awesome we love to bring up white racist tories because we're so against identity politics and those are the real w/c and everyone else is some kind of poseur. Wow so well thought out gosh.
 
Evander said:
Alright then, delete 'populist rabble rousing' and insert 'left wing gallery'. It's only a question of semantics. Incidentally my views are my own - I'm not persuaded by opinion polls.
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funny how they chime with the eye rolling guardian set then aint it
 
Evander said:
Alright then, delete 'populist rabble rousing' and insert 'left wing gallery'. It's only a question of semantics. Incidentally my views are my own - I'm not persuaded by opinion polls.
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By 'it's only a question of semantics', I suppose you think that they mean the same thing; the point I was making is that they don't...have a think about audience and intention.

The point about the opinion polls isn't in relation to your views. It's about how populist what Corbyn advocates actually is...you do see the difference don't you?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
I like the idea that populism/rabble rousing = providing a more nuanced, complex solution to a problem that (some) opinion polls show the majority of the public want to solve in a simplistic way
 
dialectician said:
Fine, white Brits. Whatever. It's like yay we're so against identity politics blah blah oh awesome we love to bring up white racist tories because we're so against identity politics and those are the real w/c and everyone else is some kind of poseur. Wow so well thought out gosh.
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Your posts seem to be even more incoherent, jargon-filled and arrogantly assuming you know better than everyone else than usual.

Maybe you should take a break from slinging ill-considered insults around before you end up becoming as much of a joke as certain other posters I could mention.
 
Evander said:
Alright then, delete 'populist rabble rousing' and insert 'left wing gallery'. It's only a question of semantics. Incidentally my views are my own - I'm not persuaded by opinion polls.
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"playing to the gallery" implies adopting a position to court popularity. What makes you think Corbyn is doing this rather than arguing what he sincerely believes in? Bareing in mind his position is entirely consistent with his arguments and campaigning history since he first became involved in poltics over 40 years ago? i.e. he is a sincere and committed opponent of militarism - hes chair of the Stop the War Coalition ffs.
 
Evander said:
I suspect you're more miffed at my forcing you to reconsider your (misplaced) admiration of JC than the direction of the discussion???

Much like J Ed? :D
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Don't assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you is an admirer of JC.

Neither dialectician or J Ed come into this category, and that you think they do merely confirms that you don't know much.
 
A mate of mine reckons he knows the result already.

Corbyn has 54% of first round votes.

e2a: I have no idea where he got this from and it could be a load of bollocks.
 
andysays said:
Your posts seem to be even more incoherent, jargon-filled and arrogantly assuming you know better than everyone else than usual.

Maybe you should take a break from slinging ill-considered insults around before you end up becoming as much of a joke as certain other posters I could mention.
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No, most of the posts here are narcissistic labour left spittle-flecked rage that someone would dare to disagree. If and when I'm proven wrong then you'll have a point. I know it won't happen though. I have history on my side, not some emotional bullshit about how life is going to get better for me because I know it fucking won't. And not for a long time.
 
Kaka Tim said:
"playing to the gallery" implies adopting a position to court popularity. What makes you think Corbyn is doing this rather than arguing what he sincerely believes in? Bareing in mind his position is entirely consistent with his arguments and campaigning history since he first became involved in poltics over 40 years ago? i.e. he is a sincere and committed opponent of militarism - hes chair of the Stop the War Coalition ffs.
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Here's a thing though: Saddam had to be stopped in his ambition toward regional expansion; I wonder what the region would be like now had he not been stopped? So Corbyn was wrong. Our mistake was to stay there too long; we should've fucked off as soon as that statue was toppled . . . there would have been a certain symbolism to it, such as 'Job done - we're outta here.'?

 
Evander said:

Here's a thing though: Saddam had to be stopped in his ambition toward regional expansion; I wonder what the region would be like now had he not been stopped? So Corbyn was wrong. Our mistake was to stay there too long; we should've fucked off as soon as that statue was toppled . . . there would have been a certain symbolism to it, such as 'Job done - we're outta here.'?
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You were doing alright up until this point, just got too obvious
 
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