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ViolentPanda said:
Much as the other runners (also-rans?) profess that they'll just get on with things and not get sucked into internal strife, there are too many members of the PLP invested in Blairism for them to not try to wreck Corbyn's leadership (if he wins). Remember that for most of the PLP, this isn't about the possibility that a Labour Party under Corbyn might serve people better, it's about their political careers, besides which our needs and desires are meaningless (from their perspective). I certainly know (from his own self-serving behaviour and utterances) that this is what my MP thinks.
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Equally it's a big challenge for Comrade Corbo if his colleagues wish to pursue a policy he doesn't. He needs to change his previous behaviour of voting against or end up in constant conflict. He has, if he wins, lost the luxury of taking a principled stand always. He will have to go on camera and articulate a party line.
 
maomao said:
Well I find it sickening when smug student radicals choose to direct their ire at the actual working class for being positive about a possible route to more dignified and secure lives rather than attacking the real enemy.

And anti-austerity may be less than radical in the grand scheme of things but after 3+ decades of relentless neoliberalism it's a significant step to the left. Whereas taking the hardest anti-capitalist position available ain't all that radical if you're just farting about on the internet and never had to argue your opinions in a workplace full of racist tory voters.
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This is it.
We have to (even anarchists!) exist in "the real world", which means acting against real-world forces and situations with real-world tactics and "solutions", rather than following a revolutionary script. That means working to convince people (or at least providing those people with the info to inform themselves) that there are pragmatic solutions to everyday economic and social problems on both sides of the political divide, and that those pragmatic solutions are eminently doable.
While I'd love to live in an anarchist Utopia, I'm self-aware enough to know that my way of doing things doesn't currently appeal to many, so in the meantime, a shift leftward is an acceptable start to achieving a "better world".
 
"Together we can make a difference... we've only inherited the party... safe secure homes... hardworking people..."

Someone needs to do a bingo card for this guff, it can't have changed much in 100 years.
 
Watching with OH who says it's like watching the FA cup final. :)

Reckon if (when?) Corbyn wins there'll be congratulations and back-slapping then the back-stabbing will begin. That's an obvious thing to say I know!

Who do we reckon for deputy?
 
Evander said:
I suspect you're more miffed at my forcing you to reconsider your (misplaced) admiration of JC than the direction of the discussion???

Much like J Ed? :D
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The scales have fallen from everyone's eyes now. Truly you are an intellectual giant among men.
 
Can't imagine Mourinho has to have his assistant appointed by ballot. Let Corbo choose!
 
Mr Moose said:
Equally it's a big challenge for Comrade Corbo if his colleagues wish to pursue a policy he doesn't. He needs to change his previous behaviour of voting against or end up in constant conflict. He has, if he wins, lost the luxury of taking a principled stand always. He will have to go on camera and articulate a party line.
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Of course he will. The fact that so many people in his parliamentary party believe that he won't be able to do so is interesting, at least in the context of what it says about their perceptions of Corbyn's principles.
Personally, I believe he's well-aware that as leader he'll have to reflect broader policy opinion, and that he's capable of doing so, but the current media and political class narrative says not. I wonder why? ;)
 
ViolentPanda said:
Of course he will. The fact that so many people in his parliamentary party believe that he won't be able to do so is interesting, at least in the context of what it says about their perceptions of Corbyn's principles.
Personally, I believe he's well-aware that as leader he'll have to reflect broader policy opinion, and that he's capable of doing so, but the current media and political class narrative says not. I wonder why? ;)
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problem is he'll have to be moderately convincing at it - if he turns around next month and says he's in favour of NATO membership, or replacing the Trident boats, or extending UK air strikes to IS in Syria, would you believe him?
 
554,272 voters
408,470 eligible (?!)
374 spoilt

Watson gets deputy

Round 1
Watson 160,852 (39.4%)
Creasey 78,100 (19.1%)
Eagle 66,013 (16.2%)
Flint 64,425 (15.8%)
Bradshaw 39,080 (9.6%) --- eliminated

Round 2
Watson 170,589 (42.2%)
Creasey 86,555(21.4%)
Flint 74,581 (18.4%
Eagle 72,517 (17.9%) --- eliminated

Round 3
Watson 198,962 (50.7%) --- winrar
Creasey 103,746 (26.4%)
Flint 89,538 (22.8%)
 
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