Labour leadership

[kabbes]

He believed in the redistribution of undercooked yet burnt chicken.

 

[emanymton]

Not so much now, but at the start of the thing there was fuck all on their registered supporters page about that, and it looked like they'd set it up as a much more open primary type system than it turns out that they actually wanted.

I get the distinct impression that the Green Party are much more up for the idea of being supportive of a left labour coalition than even Labour's left are. I suspect their intention is to attempt to ride this surge in support to crush all other left parties and reclaim what they see as their rightful votes, rather than considering partnership working.

I think the point where I realised I really was still much more Green (despite their faults) than Labour was when I couldn't actually face the thought of being surrounded by a massive crowd of Labour supporters / activists at the Leeds Corbyn rally, all there to support basically most of the Green Party manifesto that they'd mostly been campaigning against just 3 months earlier.

It's like the reverse of Jack Munroe (and other's) statement about Them not leaving labour, labour left them...... in this case it seems that Labour are joining us, but don't want those of us who were already campaigning on that platform to have any involvement.

From reading the email and the other one that was posted it looks like it might just be people who signed up as supporters not as full members. Which would make sense and is not really surprising. Basically saying you can leave the Green party (or whatever) and join Labour, but can't sign up as a supporter while being a member of the Green party.

Has anyone heard of someone who applied for full membership bring rejected? What about people signing up as union members?

If he wins and you want to support him and change in the Labour party, I am sure you will have a lot less trouble joining as a full member after the election.

 

[DotCommunist]

He believed in the redistribution of undercooked yet burnt chicken.

under corbyn we will have only the finest of bbq chicken. It will be so tasty you could get a stoned teenager to eat it even if KFC was on offer. Its a new day fellas. The milkybars are on C-Bizzle

 

[brogdale]

they would recoil in disgust at the world socialist

Interesting though, that the word has been used against Corbyn in a derogatory manner by so many of his Labour opponents when the party self-defines as such.

 

[Lucy Fur]

It's also the first 8 words on the back of the membership card

 

[DotCommunist]

to think this party was at the first international. O cruel fate.

 

[brogdale]

It's also the first 8 words on the back of the membership card

Extraordinary to think that people like Field, Kendall, Danczuk and Hunt represent a party with those words on their membership card.

 

[DotCommunist]

I dreamt I saw Jeremy Corbyn last night
Alive as you or me
The Labour bosses killed you jez!
I never died, said he

 

[DotCommunist]

3 nights of poster boarding for them.

theres three nights you'll never get back eh

 

[Ole]

From reading the email and the other one that was posted it looks like it might just be people who signed up as supporters not as full members. Which would make sense and is not really surprising. Basically saying you can leave the Green party (or whatever) and join Labour, but can't sign up as a supporter while being a member of the Green party.

Has anyone heard of someone who applied for full membership bring rejected? What about people signing up as union members?

If he wins and you want to support him and change in the Labour party, I am sure you will have a lot less trouble joining as a full member after the election.

Yes to both. There are already existing members for years with spotless records in terms of Labour loyalty who have been rejected. Funny as fuck.

Extraordinary to think that people like Field, Kendall, Danczuk and Hunt represent a party with those words on their membership card.

I've often found these types of people are quick to identify as socialists. I'm sure I've heard Hunt talk about his 'socialist principles' on Question Time or somewhere else on the BBC. I don't think it's just to throw off the scent incidentally, they really believe it even as they rail against the old-fashioned left.

 

[charlie mowbray]

to think this party was at the first international. O cruel fate.

Don't think so. The First International dates were 1864 to 1876. The Labour Party wasn't created until 1900.

 

[DotCommunist]

Don't think so. The First International dates were 1864 to 1876. The Labour Party wasn't created until 1900.

balls, the second one maybe? or we can say members of the labour movement were present at both? Either that or I'm fucked.

 

[imposs1904]

Don't think so. The First International dates were 1864 to 1876. The Labour Party wasn't created until 1900.

1906

 

[brogdale]

balls, the second one maybe? or we can say members of the labour movement were present at both? Either that or I'm fucked.

I don't think that Brits were hugely in evidence until the Paris Congresses...and then it was people like Hyndman.

 

[charlie mowbray]

No February 27th 1900. You are technically right in that it was called the Labour Representation Committee up until 15th February 1906 when it changed its name to the Labour Party but it was the same organisation.

 

[DotCommunist]

1906

did the squeegies form ranks first?

 

[imposs1904]

No February 27th 1900. You are technically right in that it was called the Labour Representation Committee up until 15th February 1906 when it changed its name to the Labour Party but it was the same organisation.

mere details

 

[brogdale]

No February 27th 1900. You are technically right in that it was called the Labour Representation Committee up until 15th February 1906 when it changed its name to the Labour Party but it was the same organisation.

That's debatable. For instance the (Marxist) SDF were involved in the founding LRC, but left the following year.

 

[imposs1904]

did the squeegies form ranks first?

'fraid so. I think part of the original impossibilist revolt - both north and south - was because the SDF originally joined the LRC. (Disaffiliating in 1901.)

 

[imposs1904]

That's debatable. For instance the (Marxist) SDF were involved in the founding LRC, but left the following year.

Beat me to it. Brogdale.

 

[charlie mowbray]

Labour was admitted to the Second International in 1908. It joined the Labour and Socialist International ( a social-democratic rival to the Comintern) between1923-1940.

 

[brogdale]

I've often found these types of people are quick to identify as socialists. I'm sure I've heard Hunt talk about his 'socialist principles' on Question Time or somewhere else on the BBC. I don't think it's just to throw off the scent incidentally, they really believe it even as they rail against the old-fashioned left.

Yeah, and their new factional vehicle, "Labour for the common good" (Laftcog?) appropriates socialist terminology in a superfluous manner.

 

[imposs1904]

Labour was admitted to the Second International in 1908. It joined the Labour and Socialist International ( a social-democratic rival to the Comintern) between1923-1940.

Wee snippet from 1923: The staging of another pantomime

 

[laptop]

Labour was admitted to the Second International in 1908. It joined the Labour and Socialist International ( a social-democratic rival to the Comintern) between1923-1940.

It took 17 years to join the 2I?

 

[DotCommunist]

It took 17 years to join the 2I?

it takes that long to fill in the membership form for Proleterian Democracy so I'm not completely astonished

 

[JimW]

It took 17 years to join the 2I?

Three pounds took a lot longer to save up in those days and vetting by telegraph slowed the process down too

 

[charlie mowbray]

APART from the SDF, how different was it to the Labour Party of 1906? it still had the same components, the Fabians, the Independent Labour Party, the trade unions.
Re the SDF pulling out in 1901 that was to head off the Impossibilists who did go on to form the SPGB. Other dissatisfied elements went on to help found the De Leonist Socialist Labour Party

 

[kabbes]

I've still not received my ballot paper, by the way. They must be investigating me furiously.

 

[Lucy Fur]

I've still not received my ballot paper, by the way. They must be investigating me furiously.

Nor me...

 

[weltweit]

I've still not received my ballot paper, by the way. They must be investigating me furiously.

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