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OMFG wearing a vest under a shirt is now known as doing a Corbyn.

Also girls grab your Tom Jones best concert knickers as he maybe a sex symbol!

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Just been thinking about these turn outs, Tony Benn used to attract such numbers as did many major Peoples Assembly rallies, but they didn't translate into anything else.
 
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http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...rough-town-hall-9879177#ICID=sharebar_twitter

local media is now live blogging it on twitter, incredible.

interesting, he comes on to the rousing sound of Elgar.
 
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treelover said:
as did many major Peoples Assembly rallies, but they didn't translate into anything else.
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No they didn't. Even if they did they weren't reported daily on the news, the entire establishment weren't pissing their pants about them either. Ask yourself why they're suddenly so concerned? Personally I didn't give a flying fuck about the people's assembly but I do about this. I guarantee I'm not alone in that.
 
One interesting thing, a main line of questioning to JC is about how disabled and sick people are being treated, imo, that has been marginal to the left upto now, in terms of numbers and interest.
 
ska invita said:
Sorry, that Labour leadership poll is nonsense. Jeremy Corbyn is going to finish fourth
by Atul Hatwal
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/07/2...sense-jeremy-corbyn-is-going-to-finish-fourth

Ignore Twitter. Forget the polls. Corbyn’s not going to win
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/17/ignore-twitter-forget-the-polls-corbyns-not-going-to-win/

What is this Labour Uncut?
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Good to get some answers in those posts following yours, agenda-laden stuff there definitely.

But attempting to be realistic just about polls, is there anything Atul Hatwal is saying that might have a point -- in strict psephological/polling terms only?

brogdale ?

I mean I think the idea that Corbyn will come fourth is total cobblers, but the reliability or not of polls should at least be considered a bit, no?
 


that's a lot of people standing outside in the rain on a Tuesday evening in newcastle in addition to 1100 people inside the Tyne Theatre.
 
William of Walworth said:
Good to get some answers in those posts following yours, agenda-laden stuff there definitely.

But attempting to be realistic just about polls, is there anything Atul Hatwal is saying that might have a point -- in strict psephological/polling terms only?

brogdale ?

I mean I think the idea that Corbyn will come fourth is total cobblers, but the reliability or not of polls should at least be considered a bit, no?
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No. He really has no point at all. It's absolutely bonkers.
 
William of Walworth said:
Good to get some answers in those posts following yours, agenda-laden stuff there definitely.

But attempting to be realistic just about polls, is there anything Atul Hatwal is saying that might have a point -- in strict psephological/polling terms only?

brogdale ?

I mean I think the idea that Corbyn will come fourth is total cobblers, but the reliability or not of polls should at least be considered a bit, no?
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Most of the fieldwork for polling on the contest is now a week or more old, and the pollsters have admitted that they are finding the fluid/unknown nature of the total selectorate rather challenging. As ever, Anthony at YG has put up some useful posts:-
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9466
&
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9468
Of the fieldwork from the 1st week of August he had this to say:-
Polling party members is hard, there are not publically available targets to weight or sample too, and there has already been a huge influx of new members and new £3 sign-ups about whom we know little. YouGov’s data has the right sort of proportions of new and old members (thought the final proportions are obviously impossible to know yet), but it’s impossible to know if the sample is right in terms of things like social class. However, looking at the tables Jeremy Corbyn is ahead in every age group and amongst members from every region, amongst working class and middle class members, and amongst members, trade union affiliates and £3 sign-ups.
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brogdale : Interesting stuff, thanks. Maybe Ole has a point then!

I had my suspicion that the LabourUncut bloke was anti-Corbyn hopecasting, but in the end this must still be the very hardest type of poilling to have confidence in.

Best to read objective insights like Anthony's though, rather then just rubbish opinionating, so thanks for that.
 
treelover said:
Just been thinking about these turn outs, Tony Benn used to attract such numbers as did many major Peoples Assembly rallies, but they didn't translate into anything else.
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E P Thompson on tour for END in about 1980 helped kickstart the huge CND mobilisation, which then went on for a good few years.
 
I remember when I was a kid in 83' being at a rally for Foot where he was mobbed by thousand of supporters,we eventual took the seat in 92 and got into power as you know in 97.By then the respectable working class community that I'd grown up in had been ground into the earth.
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Posted elsewhere, this is a real fear, that rallies for Foot where like Corbynmania, but then we had many more years of Tories, Thatcher, or is this a Blairite meme that doesn't work now?
 
two sheds said:
Protesting against the slaughter of Palestinians is itself enough for someone to be labeled anti-semitic by many supporters of the Israeli government.
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True, but it was, unsurprisingly, the Daily Mail that dragged up the Stephen Sizer story with which to imply that Corbyn is an anti-semite. It's all so fucking binary with the "Hurrah for the blackshirts" Mail when it comes to Labour leaders. They're either "bacon-eating", "North London geek" "zealots" or just out and out jew haters.
 
Just saw a clip of Tristram 'scab' Hunt on Newsnight, is it me or is he one of the poshest sounding MPs?
 
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