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I'm going to drive this argument home again to see if any Corbyn supporters have a proper response:

First, do you think that Corbyn could ever be elected as Prime Minister of the UK; and

Second, if you do not think that is possible, what is the point of him leading the Labour party?

I already gave a response to your point two. As ever, you appear to have missed the wood for the trees.

And you're not "driving this argument home". You haven't made an argument, just posted farty two-sentence spewings of what you've ingested from your days' toilet reading.
 
I gave them an old PAYG phone number that I theoretically still have the SIM for. No way was I giving those fuckers my actual phone number.

I still haven't received a ballot paper, btw.
 
while jeremy clarkson stands behind him, hand on his shoulder, muttering words of hate spittled encouragement...
...and erotic stimulus. "Think about lubing her hate-dried vadge with the rendered-down fat of socialists, Tone. Think about slapping some leftie-lard on your cock and riding Cherie raw".
 
Think Cathy Newman's got that wrong - according to his wiki, Saleh wasn't convicted of the blood libel pronouncement - charged, but not convicted. I'm not saying he's not a crank, but a journalist should present the facts accurately.

They're not interested in facts. They are at present flailing manically, throwing any minuscule speckle of shite they can get their hands on in the hope that some of it might stick. As far as I can tell, they are just ending up with shitty hands.
 
Think Cathy Newman's got that wrong - according to his wiki, Saleh wasn't convicted of the blood libel pronouncement - charged, but not convicted. I'm not saying he's not a crank, but a journalist should present the facts accurately.
it's a good tactic to get your interviewee to say something they didn't really want to - "well, he wasn't actually convicted, only charged" - which just sounds like being weaselly. So he dodged that one
 
it's a good tactic to get your interviewee to say something they didn't really want to - "well, he wasn't actually convicted, only charged" - which just sounds like being weaselly. So he dodged that one

Huh - well spotted. I'd have been bollocksed by that one, belboid - if I ever stand for leadership of the Labour Party, I'll be after you for media training.
 
A very good article here from Craig Murray. He' certainly make a good critique of the media, especially the G.

"The sheer panic gripping the London elite now is hilarious to behold.Those on the favoured side of Britain’s enormous wealth gap are terrified by the idea that there may be a genuine electoral challenge to neo-liberalism, embodied in one of the main party structures. This is especially terrifying to those who became wealthy by hijacking the representation of the working class to the neo-liberal cause.

The fundamental anti-democracy of the Blairites is plainly exposed, and the panic-driven hysterical hate-fest campaign against Corbyn by the Guardian would be unbelievable, if we hadn’t just seen exactly the same campaign by the same paper against the rejection of neo-liberalism in Scotland.

I think I am entitled to say I told you so. Many people appear shocked to have discovered the Guardian is so anti-left wing. I have been explaining this in detail for years. It is good to feel vindicated, and even better that the people I have repeatedly shared platforms with, like Jeremy and Mhairi, are suddenly able to have the genuinely popular case they make listened to. Do I feel a little left behind, personally? Probably, but I would claim to have contributed a little to the mood, and particularly my article on the manufactured myth that the left is unelectable has been extremely widely shared – by hundreds of thousands – in the social media storm that is propelling the Corbyn campaign."

In full:


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42637.htm
 
Speaking of good articles, I thought this was excellently put in The Independent.

Why Corbyn is so popular

By Frank Cottrell Boyce

Only 25 per cent of the population earns more than £30,000 a year. Most media commentators (including me) do. For people like me, the country basically works. Politics doesn't affect me. Politics, for me, is about how other people are treated. It's easy inside my echo-chamber to believe that I am the norm, or the middle. Easy to forget that there are voices outside.

To people in my position, austerity can be read as regrettable but pragmatic. But to my friends and family, who live outside the bubble, it's not regrettable, it's terrifying. It's also not pragmatic. The crackpot, gimcrack ideological nature of austerity becomes more apparent the closer you get to the point of delivery.

Outside the bubble, everyone knows that an economy in which you can work 50 hours a week and still need tax credit to make the rent is a broken economy. To those outside the bubble, a Parliament that knows the country does not have enough houses yet cannot bring itself to build any for fear of "interfering with the market", is not a Parliament at all. And a media that sees a 50p top tax-rate, public investment and re-nationalisation of the worst failures of privatisation (railways and energy) as politically dangerous is a media whose understanding of politics has shrivelled into mere gossip.

People keep comparing the Corbyn campaign to 1983. But surely the more apt comparison is with 2001. Back then, everyone in the country – apart a few hundred politicians – knew that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction, that the invasion of Iraq was a harebrained folly that would end in tragedy. In 2015, everyone – except a few hundred politicians – can see that austerity is a harebrained folly that could end in tragedy.

We were right then. We're right now.
 
The Labour party is dead. Long live the Labour Party.

Jeremy Corbyn is a Fabian for gods sake.

The best thing to happen is for him to lose the election by a few percent.

Then to take a position in the shadow cabinet.

“When philosophy paints its grey in grey, then has a shape of life grown old.

By philosophy's grey in grey it cannot be rejuvenated but only under-stood.

The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only within the falling of the dusk.”
 
Poking a hole in the neo liberal consensus? Getting the possibility of something a bit different to 'let's piss on the poor' on the agenda? Actually debating what the public actually supports , like nationalising the railways? Actually forming an opposition to the tories rather than actively supporting every fucking thing they do? To name a few. Not being a psychic I can't say for sure but these are best guesses.
This in fucking spades.
 
Sold out in days in mid August, remarkable

update, sold out in four hours.


Speakers include:
Jeremy Corbyn MP
Davey Hopper, General Secretary of the Duram Miners Association
Grahame Morris MP
Cllr Joyce McCarty
Laura Pidcock, Show Racism... the Red Card
Stop the War Coalition
Theresa Easton, NE People's Assembly
Newcastle Palestine Solidarity Campaign
Bethany Elen Coyle, Journey to Justice
Daniel M Kebede, UAF
Ed Whitby, Unison


Bit of a dubious line up in parts, many usual suspects, organised by Counterfire?, read Paul Stotts blog to hear more about Laura Pidcock.
 
Corbyn answering accusations about associating with anti-Semites on Channel 4 News earlier.


Not quite sure how to read his performance there. I'll be honest, I know virtually none of the detail on the groups and individuals mentioned, so I'm just going off his demeanour. Sounded a bit defensive, couldn't quite come out and apologise or say he fucked up. Sounded a bit like a ..... politician.

Edit: should just say, I think the attempt to portray him as anti-semitic are disgusting. Just think that if you've had contact with groups/individuals who turn out to be dodgy (or worse), it's best to address that, rather than going into defence mode. Saying you live and learn, you make mistakes could actually be a virtue, particularly when set against the robotnik 3 he is up against.
 
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Protesting against the slaughter of Palestinians is itself enough for someone to be labeled anti-semitic by many supporters of the Israeli government.

Indeed, using this reasoning I suspect there are many here on the forums who would be considered anti-Semitic, myself included.
 
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