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Labour must 'end the madness' over Jeremy Corbyn, says Alan Johnson

The Labour party should “end the madness” of a growing surge in support for Jeremy Corbyn and elect Yvette Cooper, who has “the intellect, the experience and the inner-steel” to succeed as leader, Alan Johnson has said.

In a major boost to the shadow home secretary’s campaign, Johnson says that she can unite the party to win power as he launches a strong attack on Corbyn and his supporters for disloyalty to progressive Labour governments....
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J Ed said:
Another hysterical front page anti-Corbyn headline in the 'balanced' and 'neutral' Graunid
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Heh, I think we've already established that there is absolutely nothing 'balanced' or ''neutral' about the Graun's reportage. Always worth repeating though. :)
 
S☼I said:
I know people are looking for hope and all that but ffs, it comes to something when this bloke has started being referred to by first name only. Labour supporters still pretending Blairism never happened or that it can be reversed by holding hands and cheering a bit

"Jeremy's in town on Saturday - I'm so excited, it's like a revolution!"

"My mum and dad have just joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - and they're getting some of the Ladies' Group to do it, too"

"What a failure of courage from Labour, damn you all to hell" *gives them £3*
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its the credible vehicle thing I suppose. Labour can and have returned big GE majorities and had what-13 odd years under blair then brown? I've been getting a bit of this from ma 'but Labour is the only hope and this time they'll sort it out'. Nope. We don't get fooled again.

 
It's just sad, and I don't mean that in a 'saaaad' sense but just the belief among lots of my friends that because they're to the left of plp policy they're virtually Marxist, and Jeremy will save us, and what we need is capitalism brought under check, and Bill y Bragg is a saint, and rioters should put their energies into voting, etc etc

Edit actually that IS quite saaaad' but I mean when Jezza turns out to be a waste of time.
 
Maybe not quite the right place for it and probably a bit hyperbolic but you know...

'Ed Miliband’s team was so out of touch that it struggled to find a single person earning the minimum wage to appear at a campaign event as the party geared up for the general election, a former senior adviser has revealed.

In an article for the website Labour List, Arnie Graf – a US community organiser who was a mentor to Barack Obama and advised Labour between 2011 and 2013 – says he was enlisted to help find a minimum wage worker to speak to the former Labour leader at an event that the media had been invited to in autumn 2013.

“The point of the conversation was to show how difficult it was for a minimum wage worker to get on in life,” Graf writes. “There was only one problem. No one had been able to locate a minimum wage worker for Ed to talk with.

The Labour party, supposedly the party of working people, was not in relationship with a single minimum wage worker? It was stunning!”'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-wage-out-of-touch-arnie-graf-labour-election
 
Sue said:
Maybe not quite the right place for it and probably a bit hyperbolic but you know...

'Ed Miliband’s team was so out of touch that it struggled to find a single person earning the minimum wage to appear at a campaign event as the party geared up for the general election, a former senior adviser has revealed.

In an article for the website Labour List, Arnie Graf – a US community organiser who was a mentor to Barack Obama and advised Labour between 2011 and 2013 – says he was enlisted to help find a minimum wage worker to speak to the former Labour leader at an event that the media had been invited to in autumn 2013.

“The point of the conversation was to show how difficult it was for a minimum wage worker to get on in life,” Graf writes. “There was only one problem. No one had been able to locate a minimum wage worker for Ed to talk with.

The Labour party, supposedly the party of working people, was not in relationship with a single minimum wage worker? It was stunning!”'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-wage-out-of-touch-arnie-graf-labour-election
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Given the number of students that must have been working on that campaign how is it that they weren't able to get one of them to call one of their mates doing bar or call centre work or something?
 
J Ed said:
Given the number of students that must have been working on that campaign how is it that they weren't able to get one of them to call one of their mates doing bar or call centre work or something?
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Maybe they couldn't find someone on minimum wage who'd say the right thing/project the right image...? Anyway, however true it is, it sounds like it could be which says quite a lot...
 
my spin doctor labour lickspittle cousin has posted the 'Alan Johnson' piece saying "nuff said" and when i said the attacks on Corbyn were desperate stuff they've come back with this "a list of achievements as long as my arm for workers is sooo desperate."
they honestly believe this! what's the easiest way to counter this shite please? ta
 
e2a to KB not chilango:D
I know but they reckon their so bloody clever
yeah should prob leave it, no way they'll change their views
 
ddraig said:
my spin doctor labour lickspittle cousin has posted the 'Alan Johnson' piece saying "nuff said" and when i said the attacks on Corbyn were desperate stuff they've come back with this "a list of achievements as long as my arm for workers is sooo desperate."
they honestly believe this! what's the easiest way to counter this shite please? ta
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You're not Labour are you ddraig to be part of its leadership debate?

These 'achievements' listed are massaged tidbits, the by-products of streamlining Britain into a more neoliberal society. They were secured on the basis of extending Major's privatisation drive in a period of expansion, they shifted British capital's problems into the future leading to the godawful crash of 2008.

Are voters expected to applaud this nonsense? On the basis of its logic Alan Johnson would also have to praise Putin every week. His statistics since 1999 are far more impressive since coming into office and did it with only 2 aggressive wars Georgia & Ukraine compared to Blair's 3 NATO v Serbia & Afghanistan, Coalition of the Willing v Iraq.
 
sihhi said:
You're not Labour are you ddraig to be part of its leadership debate?

These 'achievements' listed are massaged tidbits, the by-products of streamlining Britain into a more neoliberal society. They were secured on the basis of extending Major's privatisation drive in a period of expansion, they shifted British capital's problems into the future leading to the godawful crash of 2008.

Are voters expected to applaud this nonsense? On the basis of its logic Alan Johnson would also have to praise Putin every week. His statistics since 1999 are far more impressive since coming into office and did it with only 2 aggressive wars Georgia & Ukraine compared to Blair's 3 NATO v Serbia & Afghanistan, Coalition of the Willing v Iraq.
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nope!
not any party
 
Paul Krugman adds his two pennies' worth:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/corbyn-and-the-cringe-caucus/

There is no fiscal crisis, except in the imagination of Britain’s Very Serious People; the policies had large costs; the economic upturn when the UK fiscal tightening was put on hold does not justify the previous costs. More than that, the whole austerian ideology is based on fantasy economics, while it’s actually the anti-austerians who are basing their views on the best evidence from modern macroeconomic theory and evidence.

Nonetheless, all the contenders for Labour leadership other than Mr. Corbyn have chosen to accept the austerian ideology in full, including accepting false claims that Labour was fiscally irresponsible and that this irresponsibility caused the crisis. As Simon Wren-Lewis says, when Labour supporters reject this move, they aren’t “moving left”, they’re refusing to follow a party elite that has decided to move sharply to the right.
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Ole said:
Paul Krugman adds his two pennies' worth:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/corbyn-and-the-cringe-caucus/
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What’s been going on within Labour reminds me of what went on within the Democratic Party under Reagan and again for a while under Bush: many leading figures in the party fell into what Josh Marshall used to call the “cringe”, basically accepting the right’s worldview but trying to win office by being a bit milder
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I like the use of 'cringe' there. It's a pretty good summary of where the Labour Party has ended up.
 
This is still giving me endless entertainment. This is most of the media at the moment: AAGGHH, there's lefties coming out the woodwork when we thought they'd all died or moved to Venezuela! AGGHHHHH NOOOO, THEY'RE NOT GOING AWAY EVEN THOUGH WE CALLED THEM LEFTIES WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS RUDE.

So much (self-interested) cluelessness among the people who are meant to report on what's happening in this country.
 
complete and utter fucking capitulation and collaboration with the class enemy works even better
 
In general I think it's all a good thing btw. I don't think the party element is interesting, either in a positive way (I don't think the LP can be saved) or in a negative way (I don't think it's distracting people from some other mode of organising), and I also have to admit to being puzzled by people on here who believe in loyalty to parties and so on. It might have made sense if the party stood for something, but when fighting back against neo-liberalism you suddenly want us to fight fair? Fuck that. It's not fucking cricket.

What I find interesting is something positive: 30 years of brow-beating with TINA, and the establishment thought they had it sewed up, and suddenly they find...oh shit - all these people we didn't persuade. And they run around like headless chickens. It's great, mostly because all the Corbynites can see the neo-libs are scared. People are discovering they can scare the establishment. For the first time in a long time, I would say.
 
It looks like Corbyn, if successful, will struggle to convince voters of his anti-austerity message...

http://gu.com/p/4b92f?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

'The polling shows that 56% of those surveyed agree, and just 16% disagree, with the statement: “We must live within our means, so cutting the deficit is the top priority.”'
 
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