Shush now, please Butchers - (and Free Spirit too please) blood pressure is going through the roof. True, I voted Labour in the GE and in my constituency...and I am glad I did because we finally had a skip day on our estate after 18 years of nothing...and these little interventions truly help us in a micro sort of way. And although I feel demoralised and distrustful of the electoral process, I cannot help but feel heartened by the sincere explosion of support for JC (as the only visible choice for hoi polloi like us) since at the very least, it utterly destroys the Labour numpties assertions that more of the same is the way to go. Yep, whilst we still have even the semblance of voting democracy, it should never be forgotten that there are more of us then them and unless the entire parliamentary democratic edifice is disassembled, those numbers will always count.
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
In terms of who will win, it's worth thinking how bizarre some of the polls have been. They've been taking place before the electorate is even created - you can join up right up to the 12th August. That's the case in a general election to some extent, with late registrations, but much more so with the new affiliated/supporting categories. CAn understand the press and even the candidates wanting to run these stories, but they have little value.
Having said that, the corbyn leads were interesting, as much as anything marking the point when the party realises the blairites have officially nothing else to say. I've gone from thinking he had simply no chance when nominated - nothing more than another run out for the microscopic remnants of the labour left - to, well, who knows. Still have it down as most unlikely that he will win.
In terms of manipulation this mentions the figures in the various membership categories:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-weeding-out-bogus-labour-leadership-voters
It was from the 28th and things may well change significantly before the 12th. However at the moment there are:
262,000 individual members
21,000 supporters
28,500 registered individual union members
In other words, individual members are still by far the biggest group (and all but 20,000 of the 262,000 had joined before the leadership campaign started). There's volatility in this election, but it's likely to be determined by long term full members.
Having said that, the corbyn leads were interesting, as much as anything marking the point when the party realises the blairites have officially nothing else to say. I've gone from thinking he had simply no chance when nominated - nothing more than another run out for the microscopic remnants of the labour left - to, well, who knows. Still have it down as most unlikely that he will win.
In terms of manipulation this mentions the figures in the various membership categories:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-weeding-out-bogus-labour-leadership-voters
It was from the 28th and things may well change significantly before the 12th. However at the moment there are:
262,000 individual members
21,000 supporters
28,500 registered individual union members
In other words, individual members are still by far the biggest group (and all but 20,000 of the 262,000 had joined before the leadership campaign started). There's volatility in this election, but it's likely to be determined by long term full members.
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
What is definitely true is that Corbyn is a long serving Labour MP. That's not a good sign either!
free spirit
more tea vicar?
500 trots turn out to support Corbyn at a meeting in Coventry today...
Steel Icarus
maybe I'm a maze
I know people are looking for hope and all that but ffs, it comes to something when this bloke has started being referred to by first name only. Labour supporters still pretending Blairism never happened or that it can be reversed by holding hands and cheering a bit
"Jeremy's in town on Saturday - I'm so excited, it's like a revolution!"
"My mum and dad have just joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - and they're getting some of the Ladies' Group to do it, too"
"What a failure of courage from Labour, damn you all to hell" *gives them £3*
"Jeremy's in town on Saturday - I'm so excited, it's like a revolution!"
"My mum and dad have just joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - and they're getting some of the Ladies' Group to do it, too"
"What a failure of courage from Labour, damn you all to hell" *gives them £3*
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
We're all being beastly unfair to poor Polly
Particularly pathetic coming from a SDP scumbag who helped Thatcher win.
500 trots turn out to support Corbyn at a meeting in Coventry today...
Over 2000 in Camden last night, two overspill rooms, and J/C speaking to hundreds outside on a FBU Fire engine!
intrigued by Wilf's info though, that only 28,000 have become supporters, maybe it will again be the 'silent majority' who win out
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you've cocked that up
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
What a pathetic comment, you really think not being able to post an image is worthy of criticism
btw, it was the now viral image of five youths precariously standing on an outside ledge six feet up and peering through a window to listen to Corbyn.
Steel Icarus
maybe I'm a maze
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no, i thought you might be encouraged to sort it out. but you haven't. edited: strange you get back on this rather minor point but ignore so many requests for clarification or whatnot.
e2a: have another go, in the spirit of 'if at first you don't succeed...'.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
where is this picture then?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
I think this is fantasy. Corbyn if/when he wins has already said he will form a cabinet of all the talents - from Kendall to Abbott.
Corbyn will be a centre-left in practice, he has backtracked on the monarchy, private schools and cuts to the military; he will backtrack on everything else. There's no reason for any Labour MP to attempt anything remotely like this.
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
these numbers will very rarely count...
Did people vote in 2005 for Labour for a massive transfer of wealth to the financial sector?
When people voted in 2001 for a Labour government did they vote for an assault on Iraq? When people voted in 1997 for a Labour government did they vote for university fees?
There's no reason to give this zombie politics life with £3 of your money. We can vote Labour in 2020 for anti-austerity promises and they will give voters austerity in a new combination compared to the other lot.
Cuddly Corbyn, when asked by Marr if he considered himself to be a marxist, refused to give an emphatic answer, and resorted to yer classic academics approach 'Marx had wonderful insights but blah blah'..
my prediction, for what its worth, is that Jeremy will turn out to be a safe pair of hands for yet another variety of state interventionist capitalism. We have been here before - Labour placed at the helm to save free market economics from the excesses of free market economics.
The old Who song 'Wont get fooled again' is, very sadly, likely to be quite incorrect. Tens of thousands joining Labour, precisely to 'get fooled again'.
my prediction, for what its worth, is that Jeremy will turn out to be a safe pair of hands for yet another variety of state interventionist capitalism. We have been here before - Labour placed at the helm to save free market economics from the excesses of free market economics.
The old Who song 'Wont get fooled again' is, very sadly, likely to be quite incorrect. Tens of thousands joining Labour, precisely to 'get fooled again'.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
five? two of them seem to have absconded.This one?
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
I'd say "idle speculation" rather than fantasy
I found some reference to Corbyn having 'worked with Press TV' on a hatchet job by James Bloodsworth, and had a dig - apparently he presented Galloway's programme on the Iranian propaganda organ while George was on holiday once, and seems to have regularly appeared on the show. Has he been tackled on this?
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