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Labour & Anti-Semitism.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
but what do YOU think?
mikey mikey
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I thought it was an interesting article.
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Livingstone up to his normal 'can't keep his gob shut for 10 minutes' trick...
Ken Livingstone repeats claim about Nazi-Zionist collaboration
on the way in to his bringing the party into disrepute hearing. spectacular.
Ken Livingstone repeats claim about Nazi-Zionist collaboration
on the way in to his bringing the party into disrepute hearing. spectacular.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
its probably true within a context that rent-a-gob doesn't explain - but does it matter? this is politics, Labour is looking to publicly cleanse itself of the whiff of anti-semitism, which it gifted its enemies, and Livingstone just can't keep his mouth shut.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
The Corbynite left was certainly blind-sided by the whole a-s line of attack but this was a concerted orchestrated campaign with the assistance of a whole chunk of the PLP and huge media complicity, hardly "gifted to its enemies" by Labour. Now that its goal - ie getting rid of Corbyn - has obviously failed, suddenly Labour don't seem to have an anti-semitism problem. It was a tool.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Perhaps it will end in people realising that many of the seemingly concrete identifiers such as race, creed, and even gender, are to a large extent social constructs deliberately designed to contain our behaviours, and that people might be better off redefining themselves, even if that confuses people.
Deliberately designed? By who?
mikey mikey
Active Member
you can't even say whether you agree with it
Please don't ask me to join in with what could be your disgusting anti-Semitism.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Why?
mikey mikey
Active Member
Because it was of interest to the reader.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Simple question, do you agree with it y/n
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bimble
floofy
Not really. I just read it and found it very dull. It says that there's an attack afoot to lump together and denigrate everyone who is not working for 'the man', and then it manages to do exactly that, blurring together Trumpers and leftists and conspiracy theorists into one big happy family of the ostracisised. what's the point?
mikey mikey
Active Member
Maybe you should've ignored it then.
Actually, it describes and condems that very thing.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
And yet it seems that the tribunal has no problem with his comments about Hitler's attitude to Zionism, but defending Naz Shah was beyond the pale.
Maybe today we'll finally get some sanity from this saga. I ain't holding my breath though.
mikey mikey
Active Member
Did Mike Sivier write anything inaccurate in that story, or is it just not "moderate" enough for you?
cantsin
Well-Known Member
Is there anything you disagree with in that piece ?
bimble
floofy
It's a really stupid 'article'. It says 'The right-wing mass media were full of anti-Livingstone commentary ..all of which could be refuted very easily if one only mentioned the facts". Presumably when he says 'the facts' he just means the haavara agreement ?
But Livingstone said that the zionists and hitler had 'very real collaboration' (before he 'went mad' and decided to kill them all). That is not borne out by the facts. Do you not see the problem with him going on in this way? The collaboration narrative is enthusiastically taken up by the crappest sort of holocaust deniers and false flaggers. There are a whole lot of facts that can be marshalled to show that he is talking absolute twaddle. Like for instance the records of what was said at the meeting between hitler and the Mufti of jerusalem in '41.
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mikey mikey
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Clearly we are supposed to believe that Red Ken is a raving anti-Semite and Nazi apologist and by association so is anybody left of Owne Smith just by association. Anybody who is skeptical of such an egregious smear is, we are to accept with question, also a racist fascist, whether they knew it or not. Moreover, blogs are evil unless written by moderates and we should really just leave journalism to the professionals. Cos we're all unqualified to have an opinionon anything. Ever.
I started by disagreeing with the headline.
mikey mikey
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I can tell the difference between Ken Livingstone and David fucking Duke, you patronising prat.
mikey mikey
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If he is judged as less than an asset, should we falsely accuse him of anti-Semitism and ruin his reputaion for the rest of his life?
Is that your "for the greater good of the party" angle?
What long term drawbacks can you see in falsely accusing political enemies (or liabilities) of anti-Semitism?
Could it be counter-productive to conflate genuine holocaust deniers with people that you just want out of the way?
Is that your "for the greater good of the party" angle?
What long term drawbacks can you see in falsely accusing political enemies (or liabilities) of anti-Semitism?
Could it be counter-productive to conflate genuine holocaust deniers with people that you just want out of the way?
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