cantsin
Well-Known Member
treelover's spouting exactly the same kind of sneaky, disingenuous crap that's everywhere at the moment, sly little misquotes that radically alter the nature of what's being said etc .
Labour & Anti-Semitism.
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treelover's spouting exactly the same kind of sneaky, disingenuous crap that's everywhere at the moment, sly little misquotes that radically alter the nature of what's being said etc .
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
A single member doesn't constitute an entire party. It's a bit like saying all blacks are muggers, because you read about some black mugger in a newspaper.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
tbf, Bennett is a 'leading' member, and their go to person when it comes to racism. If he did say that and is still in the role, it is rather shameful.
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cantsin
Well-Known Member
so not ' Israelis' then ? any evidence/sources ?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Why does it 'look like' it? Where is your evidence for that? There is none other than treelovers misremembered claim.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You make it sound like he's supporting the right of return.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Based on what? Do you have more evidence than the CPGB source? And while we are at it can you answer my previous question
Are you alleging that people on this thread/U75 are doing the above?
EDIT: And just be clear if Bennett did make that comment I think it is disgusting
Why are criticisms of the left so deeply interrogated?, yet if a comment is made by someone on the right, it is never given the scrutiny of the former, this is a criticism that is being discussed all over the web, and by many leftists.There is also something of shoot the messenger on here, i am largely talkng about the SWP/Counterfire/Tiny Sects, i wasn't aware anyone on here was involved in them anymore(glad to say never been near them)
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
because of the discourse it feeds into - which is the same as the Daily Mail/Lynton Crosby/Zac Goldsmith bullshit designed precisely to cover up for their far, far, greater racism and bigotry. Plus, when criticisms of the tories do descend into bullshit, people on here do get pulled for it. There are more than enough true things to do the fuckers for without needing to fall back on bullshit
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Being as you're not on the left and being as we're interrogating what you said your claim falls.
bimble
floofy
Jesus. The sources alleging that he said 'jews' instead of 'the jews in israel' are not reliable. Stormfront seem to love him though.
All that seems sure is that he was accused of saying it and hasn't denied it. Maybe he said the Jews in Israel should go back to where they came from, I don't know. That's why I used two question marks and an 'if true'.
& If I wanted to accuse anyone here of being antisemite I'd have done so. The rush to defend this bloke when apparently nobody knows quite what he said does sadden me though.
All that seems sure is that he was accused of saying it and hasn't denied it. Maybe he said the Jews in Israel should go back to where they came from, I don't know. That's why I used two question marks and an 'if true'.
& If I wanted to accuse anyone here of being antisemite I'd have done so. The rush to defend this bloke when apparently nobody knows quite what he said does sadden me though.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Criticisms of the left aren't "deeply interrogated" as anyone who's spent any time on U75 would know. I can remember plenty of threads where left-wing parties/groups have been criticised for their politics, their strategy or their behaviour.
What isn't given much time are smears and vague unsupported allusions to the left being chock full of racists/sexists.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
what sources? There is only one source, which said 'Israelis' - the only other source is treelover today, as opposed to treelover 6 yeas ago, when he managed to c&p accurately.
Why are you making things up?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
By who?
bimble
floofy
never mind. I'm just smearing you all disingenuously etc, I'll bugger off & leave you lot to it.
You're surely right that there is no problem at all with antisemitism in nice progressive circles, my mistake, especially definitely not in UAF, cos that would be absurd.
Best to ignore the winging of people like whoever wrote this:
"Unite Against Fascism's weakness on antisemitism is both shocking and shameful. This is not, unfortunately, a story about goings-on in two marginal far left cults. Unite Against Fascism is the leading campaign against racism in the United Kingdom. It is supported by parliamentarians from all the major political parties, and by every significant trade union. It is Unite Against Fascism that sets the tone of the debate when it comes to opposing racism. They call the demonstrations and organise the conferences. It is to Unite Against Fascism that the national press turns, when racism rears its head..
This state of affairs is, quite frankly, terrifying. As others are warning here, there is every reason to believe that the defining themes of the present economic downturn will be xenophobic, anti-immigrant and racist politics. As conspiracy theories depicting Jews as controllers of the financial markets proliferate, antisemitism will undoubtedly also be part of that mix. Support for fascist parties tends to grow during crises, and we need a strong defence against that politics, with solidarity between and support from all parts of British society. However, with its sectarianism, silence on antisemitism and blindness to Islamist Jew-hatred, Unite Against Fascism just isn't up to the job.
David Toube: Unite Against Fascism may be the UK's leading campaign against the racist far right, yet its record on opposing antisemitism is dismal
You're surely right that there is no problem at all with antisemitism in nice progressive circles, my mistake, especially definitely not in UAF, cos that would be absurd.
Best to ignore the winging of people like whoever wrote this:
"Unite Against Fascism's weakness on antisemitism is both shocking and shameful. This is not, unfortunately, a story about goings-on in two marginal far left cults. Unite Against Fascism is the leading campaign against racism in the United Kingdom. It is supported by parliamentarians from all the major political parties, and by every significant trade union. It is Unite Against Fascism that sets the tone of the debate when it comes to opposing racism. They call the demonstrations and organise the conferences. It is to Unite Against Fascism that the national press turns, when racism rears its head..
This state of affairs is, quite frankly, terrifying. As others are warning here, there is every reason to believe that the defining themes of the present economic downturn will be xenophobic, anti-immigrant and racist politics. As conspiracy theories depicting Jews as controllers of the financial markets proliferate, antisemitism will undoubtedly also be part of that mix. Support for fascist parties tends to grow during crises, and we need a strong defence against that politics, with solidarity between and support from all parts of British society. However, with its sectarianism, silence on antisemitism and blindness to Islamist Jew-hatred, Unite Against Fascism just isn't up to the job.
David Toube: Unite Against Fascism may be the UK's leading campaign against the racist far right, yet its record on opposing antisemitism is dismal
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I don't like weyman bennett. But your *rush* to attack him after treelover brought it up when no one knows quite what he said is quite in character for you.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
we asked you to back up your statements, hardly unreasonable. You have refused.
You should also check your sources - Neil Clark: The Outing of "David T"
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Toube! Wow.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
you're a dishonest fucker, feigning simple ignorance to promote a right wing agenda. See through
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh. Best to ignore people pointing out things like your rushing headlong into accusing wb of things you don't know what they are
bimble
floofy
Maybe i'm being overly sensitive but being (i think) sarcastically called 'a tireless opponent of anti-semitism' is actually really hurtful. You don't know me or what antisemitism has meant to me. This whole topic is one where i shouldn't be buggering about on the internet with really, too touchy & personal. Especially with the constant accusations of being crafty having a secret agenda etc. Sod this for a game of soldiers.
Bimble is Jewish as she has said herself, I thought as i have repeatedly noted that in the anti-racism movement , that if someone from a minority is offended by what they perceived as racist comments, then they are indeed being discriminated against, Bimble has given over a number of threads examples where she has felt this, goodness knows if its any other minority group, UAF, HNH, twitter, etc, are all over it. Look at the implicit defence by some posters of that Rhodes Scholar idiot because of his minority status, never mind his appalling behaviour. Anyway, like Bimble, I am not posting on this anymore, one million people living in destitution in the UK, wish more on the left would take cognisance of that.
Cid
Proper break this time
Eh? The Rhodes scholar guy has been roundly criticised on here.
Cid
Proper break this time
Where?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Isn't that a bit the point? The exaggerated anti-semitism charge is deflecting attention from what the tories are doing?
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