Yes when a face and personal story is put on it, it just makes it all the more depressing.Really sad seeing the poor woman on BBC who lost her flat and all her belongings in the building that was set on fire.
Noodles, look again - this is a LOT more than 'dozens', taken in the round.But again, thse morons are in the tiny minority. Is it poverty that leads to violence or is it the case that individuals who are spiteful, ignorant bullies become/remain impoverished? It might not be particularly reassuring to think that some people are just nasty cunts rather than a product of their environment, but what else is there to separate these dozens of people from the millions of others raised in similar circumstances really?
of course it is! However, it's different in each and every individual case, and difficult to quantify - so it makes more sense to focus on the bit we can do something about - the wider socioeconomic context.
Noodles, look again - this is a LOT more than 'dozens', taken in the round.
I didn't say that it was "all because some people are naturally violent" - see my reply to Strathamite. So you don't think some people are naturally violent and thuggish? Why not? Because it's not something which is particularly pleasant to contemplate? Or are there other reasons?
Why is it "either" nature or nuture? It it not possible to be some combination of the two?
You're being deliberately obtuse for the sake of arguing now. No thanks.
speculate away.meanwhile your fucking precious working classes are suffering and scared.I'm off to Croydon.Fuck anyone nearby who isn't trying to help the most vulnerable in this chav looting shit.
Wonder if there'll be anyone done afterwards for deliberately torching there shop for the insurance. Failing businesses etc.
Where the fuck are the teargas/watercannon? This is basic stuff. News of the World would have loved this.
I'm pretty sure they'll be out of luck.
Most insurance policies exclude claims for damage caused by civil unrest/rioting.
Chances are these people whose homes and businesses are going up in smoke are losing everything, even if they were insured.
I'm pretty sure they'll be out of luck.
Most insurance policies exclude claims for damage caused by civil unrest/rioting.
Chances are these people whose homes and businesses are going up in smoke are losing everything, even if they were insured.
I honestly don't know - yet.
but I do know how we DON'T deal with them - by writing a whole generation of inner city kids off as 'scum', by demonising and vilifying them, or turning their estates into a Police State, and seeing this purely as a law & order problem, and sending the cops in to tame them (this problem was started by the police!)
because they aren't scum; they're simply youth who have grown up at the hard end, with fewer reasons to adhere to the rules of a society that offers them diddly, and less to lose by raising two fingers to the whole damn lot.
My heart breaks when I see kids here, or in Tottenham - no-one's ever given a fuck about them, paid them attention, given them opportunities, or simply made them feel they're someone or something.
Plus - endless harassment by the cops.
And now these cuts hit their families hardest.
We really shouldn't be surprised when they riot.
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Kingsland Road chaotic as Turkish men attack other, predominantly black, youths with sticks, metal barricades and bricks. #hackney
I was wondering about that. The state needs to sort them out if this is the case, they're the ones we pay to protect us from having our homes torched.I'm pretty sure they'll be out of luck.
Most insurance policies exclude claims for damage caused by civil unrest/rioting.
Chances are these people whose homes and businesses are going up in smoke are losing everything, even if they were insured.
I honestly don't know - yet.
but I do know how we DON'T deal with them - by writing a whole generation of inner city kids off as 'scum', by demonising and vilifying them, or turning their estates into a Police State, and seeing this purely as a law & order problem, and sending the cops in to tame them (this problem was started by the police!)
because they aren't scum; they're simply youth who have grown up at the hard end, with fewer reasons to adhere to the rules of a society that offers them diddly, and less to lose by raising two fingers to the whole damn lot.
My heart breaks when I see kids here, or in Tottenham - no-one's ever given a fuck about them, paid them attention, given them opportunities, or simply made them feel they're someone or something.
Plus - endless harassment by the cops.
And now these cuts hit their families hardest.
We really shouldn't be surprised when they riot.
I think they can going get out of paying if it's officially declared a riot, then the state picks up the bill.
Nope. Most home policies (not sure re: commercial) do not exclude loss arising from riot damage - there is no reason to, as if they indemnify a policyholder for riot damage then they can recover their outlay through subrogation under the Riot (Damages) Act 1886. Those who are uninsured can also recover their losses under the same Act.
chances of shitemaster actually coming back with a coherent response to this ?
Did you type that one handed while wanking over YouTube videos of burning buildings, Catshit?
Shouldn't you be threatening people by PM anyway, you keyboard warrior nonce?
I'd be grateful if you didn't judge us all on those posts!I knew there was a reason I hadn't been on urban for years. it was to avoid having to wade through this sort of Shite. Jesus.
Did you type that one handed while wanking over YouTube videos of burning buildings, Catshit?
Shouldn't you be threatening people by PM anyway, you keyboard warrior nonce?