Didn't the same thing happen with pubs?
Kicking Off In Tottenham
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Didn't the same thing happen with pubs?
boohoo
No.
I am aware that is is the violent rioting that gets attention and causes change. It doesn't mean that it's great fun to be around. When something kicks off, I don't have a sign to wear saying I'm alright don't touch me. I've never been a fan of violence -- have spent a lot of my childhood with it on my doorstep - sometimes literally. It is a shame that it seems to be the only way for change to happen.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I think it's established beyond any reasonable doubt that the police and their corruption-cronies in the media are always going to tell cynical self-serving lies about cases like the original shooting and the subsequent rioting.
The rioting citizens will no doubt also have some things to say that aren't true, but crucially, they aren't in an ongoing corrupt relationship with the media.
(This corrupt relationship, often strongly suspected, e.g. after Hillsborough, has now been exposed, before parliament no less, and can't be dismissed as "conspiracy theory")
The key difference being that collusion between the cops and media leads to a disparity of power when it comes to whose cynical self-serving lies will stick in the public mind.
The rioting citizens will no doubt also have some things to say that aren't true, but crucially, they aren't in an ongoing corrupt relationship with the media.
(This corrupt relationship, often strongly suspected, e.g. after Hillsborough, has now been exposed, before parliament no less, and can't be dismissed as "conspiracy theory")
The key difference being that collusion between the cops and media leads to a disparity of power when it comes to whose cynical self-serving lies will stick in the public mind.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It is a matter of deep regret that no one burned down the Spud U Like and scattered the ashes in the River Thames.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
made me laugh last night when an eldery caribbean gentlemen moved amongst the throng of people with a coolbox on a shopping trolley, selling drinks for a quid a go. good to see his business sense was being maintained.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
What fate Brixton Village if the same happens here again?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Quite
It will be besieged. It will be like 'Fort Apache, the Bronx' but with quality coffee and artisan bread.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I agree with you. I was scared in the 1985 riots even though I was one of the rioters! The paradox (often discussed in Class war meetings as loads of us were there) was that despite throwing all sorts at the police, I was glad they did not all fuck off and retreat as some on "my side" were nasty evil people who would cause you harm as soon as look at you. The destruction and mess that were caused during that riot was awful and terrible for the people who lived there. This was why a great deal of satisfaction was taken from the 1990 poll tax riot because we (bunch of anarchists) wanted to riot in W1 and smash up the centre of town and this is exactly what we did.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
You'll be guarding Elephant with your life. ''No, not the samosas! What did they ever do to anyone?''
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I remember in the mini 90s riots, kids running up Brixton Hill, diving into Poison Albert's and running up the road with saveloys
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I don't recollect any pubs getting burned down in 1985, unlike 1981, but I was only 14 for the 81 kick off and was to scared to go.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Fixed for you.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
They may have cause to regret that name change.
How do I post a tweet on twitter? Want to tell this guy:
http://twitter.com/#!/BlacJac
he is a dickhead.
http://twitter.com/#!/BlacJac
he is a dickhead.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Someone on Twitter has pointed out to him that his posts are on Urban75
boohoo
No.
Yep - would prefer if they took their grievances up the west end. I suppose Brixton and Tottenham are both areas I love for a variety of reasons and I hate to see them end up looking wrecked and their old reputations being dug up and held against them.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Why not just argue your point (if you have one)?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Like that^
I think we'd be too busy forming a human chain around a mural.
I got to sign up I see. Cant be arsed. Someone who has a twitter account please tell him he is a twat.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Trying to get a spontanious eruption of anger to move several miles to a better arena is logistically difficult!
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
From around half two to four AM last night there was a fairly excitable crowd out and about around Angell Town. Not rioting, just a lot of people discussing events in Tottenham rather "enthusiatically". No violence or damage caused, but then the Met have a tendency to call a large group of mostly black people a riot with very little reason.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Only if Boohoo gets to me before I get to the cake shop.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I'm sure he'll be able to see your post. He's been given the link to this thread
MrA
Free! Free I tells ya!
Well that's an improvemnt on 1981, when all shops were fair game, most of that riot was just an excuse for theives and thugs to go on a rampage. Looks as though last nights riots falls into the same category.
Garek
Living n ADDled chaos
Reminds me of the Bill Hicks sketch about the LA riots saying basically "Now guys next time, go up the highway and attack the rick ok? Could be better than burning your own neighbourhood down".
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