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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confesses 9/11

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6452573.stm

The alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks has admitted his role in them, and 30 other plots in a hearing at Guantanamo Bay, the Pentagon says.

Now apart from the fact that, after years in Guantanamo, he might also confess to killing Donald Duck during a drive-by shooting in Antarctica if the CIA asked him 'nicely' - where does this leave the assertion that BinLaden was the mastermind behind all these terror attacks? Did BinLaden 'merely' provide the funds?
 
After years of human rights-bustin' illegal imprisonment, I wouldn't be surprised if they got him to confess to the shooting of Kennedy too.

He may well have been the main man behind 9/11, but the disgraceful way America has pursued his case makes it a totally meaningless and hollow 'confession.'
 
To be honest I think his confession is more likely to be unreliable due to his clear desire to be the biggest terrorist mastermind since that bloke in the Bond films with the fluffy white cat rather than due to him making up confessions because of the way he has been treated.

(As I understand it, he is sharing the glory with old Osama though - he was the sort of blue sky thinking guy (a sort of terrorist John Birt, if you like) and Osama took the good ideas and made them happen.)
 
Poor bloody bloke! They'll solve all their unsolved crimes this way. I expect he's already confessed to selling peerages. Heil Bush! Heil Bliar!
 
rhys gethin said:
Poor bloody bloke! They'll solve all their unsolved crimes this way. I expect he's already confessed to selling peerages. Heil Bush! Heil Bliar!

Yes poor bloke..:rolleyes: Mass murder deserves all he gets hope they do not execute him but just let him rot to death in cell. Like he would have wept tears if any of us had been in the WTC & had to have trown ourselves from the 50th floor.
 
I didn't believe most of his confession either. It seems like hes just trying to "big up" himself. I'm sure, he did his share, but it seems like he'd cop to anything to make himself look tough to this fellows. I can't believe the government is stupid enough to believe it... or rather, they think we'd be stupid enough to believe it.
 
Yeah but face it they're in a self-created untenable position.

Cos he's been in Gitmo the confession is always going to be clouded with credibility issues. Because he might be stupid and vain enough to actually WANT to be seen as the ultimate bad-ass others will say 'He's just bigging himself up/covering for OBL' so as with something like last year's 8/8 thing at the airports, the government here are in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation.
 
I don't think we need to pay any attention to an extract from a censored transcript of a military tribunal in a torture camp.

This chap might be the baddest chap since Hitler, but thanks to our American allies no-one will ever know.
 
The operative word there is "self-created." The Bush administration has done so much self-created mischief that their credibility is zero, even with their own citizenry.
 
kyser_soze said:
Because he might be stupid and vain enough to actually WANT to be seen as the ultimate bad-ass others will say 'He's just bigging himself up/covering for OBL' so as with something like last year's 8/8 thing at the airports, the government here are in a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation.

His testimony and purported confession aren't really important. What's important is the verdict reached by the jury in a legally constituted court. Too bad the Americans don't know how to convene one.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
The operative word there is "self-created." The Bush administration has done so much self-created mischief that their credibility is zero, even with their own citizenry.

Well you've only got another 21 months of the chimp left...
 
I don't know if he's guilty or not, but the way they made him confess sucks.

CIA's Harsh Interrogation Techniques Described



One of the methods:

6. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.

According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.
 
absolutely fucking ridiculous.

tried in a military court, having been tortured overseas, then tortured at guantanamo. et voila - guilty of all crimes.

ridiculous :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
It's a bit much like the terror equivalent of the Argos catalogue isn't it, with equal likelihood of the items in it ever actually working.
 
Humm . . . I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that his confessions are throwout due to torture.

No doubt the CIA will have created an interrogation plan that checks for false positives. For example, drilling Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on actions where the CIA knows he has no involvement. Or inventing imaginary people, places, acts and money transfers and interrogating him, maybe for months, on events that they know did not take place. All this just to secure an correct answer to a question that is buried right in the middle of the interrogative procedure.

Believe me, after what I know of NKVD/KGB interrogators, I am willing to bet that the CIA did not give Khalid Sheik Mohammed a chance to tell any lies at all - even when under water.
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
I didn't believe most of his confession either. It seems like hes just trying to "big up" himself. I'm sure, he did his share, but it seems like he'd cop to anything to make himself look tough to this fellows. I can't believe the government is stupid enough to believe it... or rather, they think we'd be stupid enough to believe it.
Who says they believe it? (as opposed to the media believing it / splashing it)
 
Andy the Don said:
Yes poor bloke..:rolleyes: Mass murder deserves all he gets hope they do not execute him but just let him rot to death in cell. Like he would have wept tears if any of us had been in the WTC & had to have trown ourselves from the 50th floor.

Anybody who can believe nazis who imprison and torture people physically and mentally for years till they confess to any old bullshit deserves to be in a Yank concentration camp himself. Why don't you volunteer? Heil Bliar!
 
Yes, my first thoughts were "bigging himself up" and "also confessed to the Black Death and the Manchester United plane crash".

Right now I'm wondering whether he isn't just frustrated that they won't let him commit suicide any other way.
 
It's complicated isn't it to decide when something is a crime and when it's the majesty of American Justice in action? How is one to tell the difference?
Inside the CIA, waterboarding is cited as the technique that got Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the prime plotter of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, to begin to talk and provide information -- though "not all of it reliable," a former senior intelligence official said.

Waterboarding is variously characterized as a powerful tool and a symbol of excess in the nation's fight against terrorists. But just what is waterboarding, and where does it fit in the arsenal of coercive interrogation techniques?

On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post published a front-page photograph of a U.S. soldier supervising the questioning of a captured North Vietnamese soldier who is being held down as water was poured on his face while his nose and mouth were covered by a cloth. The picture, taken four days earlier near Da Nang, had a caption that said the technique induced "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk."

The article said the practice was "fairly common" in part because "those who practice it say it combines the advantages of being unpleasant enough to make people talk while still not causing permanent injury."

The picture reportedly led to an Army investigation.

Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding was used against Americans in World War II," he said.
source
 
editor said:
After years of human rights-bustin' illegal imprisonment, I wouldn't be surprised if they got him to confess to the shooting of Kennedy too.

He may well have been the main man behind 9/11, but the disgraceful way America has pursued his case makes it a totally meaningless and hollow 'confession.'

How do you know what went on behind the scenes? You can't just speculate like that an make assumptions. :rolleyes:
 
I don't think the bbc article mentions it, but he also claims to be the one who beheaded Daniel Pearl. Reading what this guy says, I thought: 'he's responsible for basically every bad thing that's happened in the last couple of decades.' He might even be the guy who nicked my barbecue a few years back.

But people on the boards can't have it two ways. One group says he's not believable because he was tortured to the point where he'd confess to pressing Donald Duck. The other group says he's not believable because he's just a boastful shit trying to big himself up [and maybe get more virgins in paradise?]

I don't think those two mesh together very well. What happened: was he tortured, and when he finally broke, he used the opportunity to brag? Did the torture break not only his desire to keep silent, but also his sense of decorum, propriety and proportionality?

That's some torture. Tortured beyond merely confessing, tortured to the point of braggadocio.
 
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