Henry Kissinger is dead (30/11/2023)

[likesfish]

some of the shit would have happened anyyway but some was definitly at kissingers door a slightly sane US could have avoided chile and support to argentina vietnam was a lost cause

 

[RD2003]

Lletsa has been doing this defeatism propaganda for decades. Chipping away at resistance, whispering into our ears that there's nothing we can do, that we are inconsequential and our voices don't matter.

He'd love it if there was no justice, no protest, no demos, and if all enemies of tyranny just laid down and let the tanks roll over them.

No idea why he begged to be let back on urban, given his disdain for it, its ethos and excellent tradition of passionate resistance.

Nurse!

 

[hitmouse]

 

[krtek a houby]

Nurse!

Indeed.

You're an enemy of hope.

 

[RD2003]

Indeed.

You're an enemy of hope.

On the contrary, hope away all you like.

 

[_Russ_]

Well, fuck off then.

What?...and miss out on the gems of wisdom from ineffectual snipey little cunts like you......up yours shitface

 

[spitfire]

What?...and miss out on the gems of wisdom from ineffectual snipey little cunts like you......up yours shitface

Seems to have affected you sweet cheeks. X.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

No idea why he begged to be let back on urban, given his disdain for it, its ethos and excellent tradition of passionate reresistance.

Not sure that virtue signalling on an Internet forum can be described as "passionate resistance".

 

[phildwyer]

Lletsa, dwyer and you get really boring, you antisemitic, misogynist, homophobic dope.

Why don't you engage constructively with the people you disagree with, instead of just abusing them?

 

[hitmouse]

Since there's so much negativity on this thread, I'd like to change things up and offer some appreciation for RD2003. Until reading their posts here, I genuinely thought that Kissinger's death would mean the immediate collapse of global capitalism and imperialism, so their work on this thread has been very educational for me. I owe them so much.

 

[RD2003]

Since there's so much negativity on this thread, I'd like to change things up and offer some appreciation for RD2003. Until reading their posts here, I genuinely thought that Kissinger's death would mean the immediate collapse of global capitalism and imperialism, so their work on this thread has been very educational for me. I owe them so much.

Jesus, all this because somebody has a differing viewpoint.

At least I addressed the subject of Kissinger.

I'm constantly and genuinely surprised that people can get to late middle age and still be so irritated by an opinion they don't like that, time and time again, they have to hijack the thread by writing about the poster who expressed it, presumably in the hope that the usual obsessives will join in. Not teenagers, but elderly people who still seem to think that putting up a laughing face emoticon in response to what somebody writes can actually bother them.

It makes me wonder how they cope with being in such a politically small minority in real life.

 

[phildwyer]

It makes me wonder how they cope with being in such a politically small minority in real life.

I doubt they have much contact with real life tbf.

 

[planetgeli]

Why don't you engage constructively with the people you disagree with, instead of just abusing them?

I doubt they have much contact with real life tbf.

That took you 45 minutes.

 

[phildwyer]

That took you 45 minutes.

Sorry, I was in real life. You know, that thing six inches above your screen.

 

[planetgeli]

Anyway, another aspect of all this is that, while Kissinger was a product of the system, which would have behaved the same way had he never have been born, he was a cynical, ruthless pragmatist. He could probably have served any regime in exactly the same way had he been born in a different time and place. It could be argued, however, that the neocons who still guide US foreign policy are worse in that they actually believe that their wars of intervention, with all the resulting carnage, are acts of liberation, and will ultimately result in a world of 'democracy,' peace and prosperity.

Individuals make differences. You know this. Hitler, Pol Pot, not merely products of the system. Yes the system is bad maaaaan. That doesn't mean we should stop condemning individuals. And when those neo-cons start dying, you'll be going "yeah, but" about them too. It is a bit boring mate.

It makes me wonder how they cope with being in such a politically small minority in real life.

Maybe they come here to get tips off you?

 

[planetgeli]

Why don't you engage constructively with the people you disagree with, instead of just abusing them?

Sorry, I was in real life. You know, that thing six inches above your screen.

You can't help yourself can you?

 

[nogojones]

Sorry, I was in real life. You know, that thing six inches above your screen.

Says someone with 40k posts

 

[RD2003]

Individuals make differences. You know this. Hitler, Pol Pot, not merely products of the system. Yes the system is bad maaaaan. That doesn't mean we should stop condemning individuals. And when those neo-cons start dying, you'll be going "yeah, but" about them too. It is a bit boring mate.


Maybe they come here to get tips off you?

What's the big deal when most others on the thread are busily 'condemning' Kissinger anyway, perhaps even while they eat their All-Bran with their slippers on? (I hear the Kissinger family are quite upset about it.)

However, I never said Kissinger shouldn't be condemned. I asked the question as to what's so uniquely evil about Kissinger when the very same stuff he's responsible for is still going on unabated. Kissinger was merely the servant of those responsible for the Vietnam debacle, which would have happened even if Kissinger had chosen a career as a librarian or become a milkman or something. Somebody else would have devised the same strategy, or similar, as he did.

I said that nobody has the power to stop this, which is true enough, as if they had it might well have stopped by now.

The neocons are worse in that, unlike Kissinger, they are driven by a belief in their own ideology. I think they are a worse threat than he was. At times he even acknoweldged their foolishness himself.

 

[phildwyer]

The neocons are worse in that, unlike Kissinger, they are driven by a belief in their own ideology. I think they are a worse threat than he was.

That's putting it mildly. The neo-cons start wars on purpose. For all his faults, Kissinger never did that.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Not sure that virtue signalling on an Internet forum can be described as "passionate resistance".

From what I know of the people who post here, they do put actions behind their words.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Individuals make differences. You know this. Hitler, Pol Pot, not merely products of the system. Yes the system is bad maaaaan. That doesn't mean we should stop condemning individuals. And when those neo-cons start dying, you'll be going "yeah, but" about them too. It is a bit boring mate.


Maybe they come here to get tips off you?

One of the unique things about Kissinger is that he influences so many others. He's been looked to for advice of US foreign policy for as long as I've been alive and I'm retirement age. He spread his evil far further afield than anyone else like him because he was sought out for guidance. Entire university foreign affairs degrees are based upon his thinking at places like the University of Chicago, etc.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Once again, the vast majority tickle each others' tummies with reassuring sentiments but get upset over a slightly different viewpoint.

It's not the viewpoint, it's the dishonesty and perceived trolling with which it is presented.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Lletsa has been doing this defeatism propaganda for decades. Chipping away at resistance, whispering into our ears that there's nothing we can do, that we are inconsequential and our voices don't matter.

The truth of it is that if millions of people decided that we wouldn't stand for the contrived division, the few thousand that create these plans wouldn't stand a chance. And they know that, as evidenced by the number who have quietly built survival shelters, or live in gated communities with armed guards.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I think he isnt saying its ok, just that it happens..its called reality ...y'know the stuff that happens whether or not you like it.
The fucking virtue signalling in here gets really boring

If you don't like it, I'm sure you can find the ignore button.

 

[krtek a houby]

Why don't you engage constructively with the people you disagree with, instead of just abusing them?

Top form tonight. Keep it up.

 

[RD2003]

One of the unique things about Kissinger is that he influences so many others. He's been looked to for advice of US foreign policy for as long as I've been alive and I'm retirement age. He spread his evil far further afield than anyone else like him because he was sought out for guidance. Entire university foreign affairs degrees are based upon his thinking at places like the University of Chicago, etc.

Which only goes to show what I've been saying.

 

[tim]

I think he isnt saying its ok, just that it happens..its called reality ...y'know the stuff that happens whether or not you like it.
The fucking virtue signalling in here gets really boring

RD2003 is signalling his own self-perceived virtues, as are you and I.

 

[hitmouse]

Jesus, all this because somebody has a differing viewpoint.

At least I addressed the subject of Kissinger.

I mean, what is the actual substantial political difference here? Do you think that anyone posting on this thread actually believes that Kissinger was some kind of a unique evil, entirely separate from broader systems of capital, imperialism and so on, in such a way that the world is actually a dramatically different place now that some 100-year-old man has finally died? Because I don't think that anyone here actually believes that. It seems to me that rather than a disagreement about the facts of Kissinger's importance, what's actually happened here is that the majority of posters on this thread have recognised an opportunity for grief in an often cruel and miserable world and chosen to take it, and you've wandered in going "WELL ACTUALLY YOUR EMOTIONAL REACTION IS LOGICALLY INCORRECT" with all the grace and charm of some oaf who's just found out about atheism blundering around an xmas party patiently explaining to everyone that Jesus was not actually the son of God.

Says someone with 40k posts

IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY DWYER.

 

[RD2003]

RD2003 is signalling his own self-perceived virtues, as are you and I.

Don't know about you and he, but it's a long time since I had any virtues.

 

[RD2003]

I mean, what is the actual substantial political difference here? Do you think that anyone posting on this thread actually believes that Kissinger was some kind of a unique evil, entirely separate from broader systems of capital, imperialism and so on, in such a way that the world is actually a dramatically different place now that some 100-year-old man has finally died? Because I don't think that anyone here actually believes that. It seems to me that rather than a disagreement about the facts of Kissinger's importance, what's actually happened here is that the majority of posters on this thread have recognised an opportunity for grief in an often cruel and miserable world and chosen to take it, and you've wandered in going "WELL ACTUALLY YOUR EMOTIONAL REACTION IS LOGICALLY INCORRECT" with all the grace and charm of some oaf who's just found out about atheism blundering around an xmas party patiently explaining to everyone that Jesus was not actually the son of God.

IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY DWYER.

Again.

Some of you are really making way too much of this. You, for one, would be better off going out and doing some anarchist things.