Henry Kissinger is dead (30/11/2023)

[petee]

an example of virtue signallling

 

[tim]

He could probably have served any regime in exactly the same way had he been born in a different time and place.

He was born in a different place: Germany and grew up under the Nazis. A regime he could never have served and that would have murdered him for being a Jew had his family not fled.

I assume that experience had some influence on Turning him into the brute that he became.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Which only goes to show what I've been saying.

On the contrary. But for his spreading his philosophy, the US might have been working from entirely different ideas about how to conduct foreign policy. Actions have consequences and so do ideas.

 

[teqniq]

Nicked from FB:

 

[RD2003]

On the contrary. But for his spreading his philosophy, the US might have been working from entirely different ideas about how to conduct foreign policy. Actions have consequences and so do ideas.

If you say so.

 

[Pickman's model]

You can't help yourself can you?

No one can help him

 

[Pickman's model]

Again.

Some of you are really making way too much of this. You, for one, would be better off going out and doing some anarchist things.

You'd be better off just going out

 

[RD2003]

The truth of it is that if millions of people decided that we wouldn't stand for the contrived division, the few thousand that create these plans wouldn't stand a chance. And they know that, as evidenced by the number who have quietly built survival shelters, or live in gated communities with armed guards.

That's a big if, and it has nothing to do with truth. It's a variation on the empty 'We are many, they are few,' sentimentalism of some post-socialism socialists.

A few thousand might well 'create these plans,' but they're hardly without support. Millions worldwide carry out 'the plan' with unquestioning acceptance, if not outright enthusiasm, and get well paid into the bargain. They are not going to go easily. Beyond that we have those who buy into it all completely voluntarily, with absolutely nothing to gain. It was bad enough when we only had the so-called MSM to contend with. Now, with social media, it's self-reinforced, and any amount of nonsense is swallowed and regurgitated endlessly.

Some of the super-rich, as well as the middle class that serves them, might be retreating to gated communities and fallout shelters, but it has more to do with a fear of a so-far undetectable generalised chaos than fear that the plebs are going to replace 'these plans' with something more coherent and humane.

 

[PTK]

That's a big if, and it has nothing to do with truth. It's a variation on the empty 'We are many, they are few,' sentimentalism of some post-socialism socialists.

A few thousand might well 'create these plans,' but they're hardly without support. Millions worldwide carry out 'the plan' with unquestioning acceptance, if not outright enthusiasm, and get well paid into the bargain. They are not going to go easily. Beyond that we have those who buy into it all completely voluntarily, with absolutely nothing to gain. It was bad enough when we only had the so-called MSM to contend with. Now, with social media, it's self-reinforced, and any amount of nonsense is swallowed and regurgitated endlessly.

Some of the super-rich, as well as the middle class that serves them, might be retreating to gated communities and fallout shelters, but it has more to do with a fear of a so-far undetectable generalised chaos than fear that the plebs are going to replace 'these plans' with something more coherent and humane.

I agree with what you write above.

 

[krtek a houby]

That's a big if, and it has nothing to do with truth. It's a variation on the empty 'We are many, they are few,' sentimentalism of some post-socialism socialists.

A few thousand might well 'create these plans,' but they're hardly without support. Millions worldwide carry out 'the plan' with unquestioning acceptance, if not outright enthusiasm, and get well paid into the bargain. They are not going to go easily. Beyond that we have those who buy into it all completely voluntarily, with absolutely nothing to gain. It was bad enough when we only had the so-called MSM to contend with. Now, with social media, it's self-reinforced, and any amount of nonsense is swallowed and regurgitated endlessly.

Some of the super-rich, as well as the middle class that serves them, might be retreating to gated communities and fallout shelters, but it has more to do with a fear of a so-far undetectable generalised chaos than fear that the plebs are going to replace 'these plans' with something more coherent and humane.

This is your opinion.

A big "if", indeed.

 

[RD2003]

This is your opinion.

A big "if", indeed.

Yes, it is merely an opinion. Nothing to get hot under the collar about.

Do you have an opinion on the subject being discussed?

 

[tim]

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You'd be better off just going out

He's stuck in the saferoom if his fallout shelter because he can't remember the door combination.

And, anyway, the bar in Omsk that he used to hang out in is now an opticians.

 

[SpookyFrank]

an example of virtue signallling

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A great image that, a 'censored' person standing in front of a microphone.

 

[krtek a houby]

Yes, it is merely an opinion. Nothing to get hot under the collar about.

Do you have an opinion on the subject being discussed?

Kissinger was a mass murderer and every time one them dies, it should be cause for celebration as opposed to hagiography, or stating that there's nothing people can do like it's some kind of fact.

 

[RD2003]

Kissinger was a mass murderer and every time one them dies, it should be cause for celebration as opposed to hagiography, or stating that there's nothing people can do like it's some kind of fact.

You are doing something, if only rattling on about what another poster thinks about the death of Kissinger.

Or at least it might feel like you're doing something. Which is all to the good. Probably.

 

[Dystopiary]

The BBC have an article on his legacy in Cambodia:

A Pentagon report released in 1973 stated that "Kissinger approved each of the 3,875 Cambodia bombing raids in 1969 and 1970" as well as "the methods for keeping them out of the newspapers".

"It's an order, it's to be done. Anything that flies, on anything that moves. You got that?" Kissinger told a deputy in 1970, according to declassified transcripts of his telephone conversations.

The number of people killed by those bombs is not known, but estimates range from 50,000 to upwards of 150,000.

Henry Kissinger's Cambodia legacy of bombs and chaos

 

[petee]

A great image that, a 'censored' person standing in front of a microphone.

on national television, in an open forum (you can go and sit in the gallery of the House).

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

If you say so.

^This is why people think you're a troll. You scream about getting engagement and then when someone does they get this.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

That's a big if, and it has nothing to do with truth. It's a variation on the empty 'We are many, they are few,' sentimentalism of some post-socialism socialists.

A few thousand might well 'create these plans,' but they're hardly without support. Millions worldwide carry out 'the plan' with unquestioning acceptance, if not outright enthusiasm, and get well paid into the bargain. They are not going to go easily. Beyond that we have those who buy into it all completely voluntarily, with absolutely nothing to gain. It was bad enough when we only had the so-called MSM to contend with. Now, with social media, it's self-reinforced, and any amount of nonsense is swallowed and regurgitated endlessly.

Some of the super-rich, as well as the middle class that serves them, might be retreating to gated communities and fallout shelters, but it has more to do with a fear of a so-far undetectable generalised chaos than fear that the plebs are going to replace 'these plans' with something more coherent and humane.

Governments are overturned with some regularity. Most of the superpowers today are the result of governments that were overthrown. It's not changing the social order that's difficult; it's keeping what replaces it on the up and up. Too often a revolution just becomes an excuse for someone else to raid the coffers and oppress the populous. That doesn't mean it isn't worth trying to change things for the better.

 

[RD2003]

^This is why people think you're a troll. You scream about getting engagement and then when someone does they get this.

Some posters automatically resort to calling everybody they disagree with a troll.

 

[RD2003]

Governments are overturned with some regularity. Most of the superpowers today are the result of governments that were overthrown. It's not changing the social order that's difficult; it's keeping what replaces it on the up and up. Too often a revolution just becomes an excuse for someone else to raid the coffers and oppress the populous. That doesn't mean it isn't worth trying to change things for the better.

Changing the social order is difficult, as you'd know if you'd lived through such changes. That's what I was hinting at.

It isn't just bad intent on the part of former revolutionaries that betrays revolutions. That's a decidedly non-materialist view.

I never said anybody shouldn't try to change things for the better.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Changing the social order is difficult, as you'd know if you'd lived through such changes. That's what I was hinting at.

It isn't just bad intent on the part of former revolutionaries that betrays revolutions. That's a decidedly non-materialist view.

I never said anybody shouldn't try to change things for the better.

If you say so.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Some posters automatically resort to calling everybody they disagree with a troll.

Sometimes a troll is just a troll.

 

[krtek a houby]

Some posters automatically resort to calling everybody they disagree with a troll.

Some posters are good at spotting trolls

Anyway, there's nothing we can do about them, eh.