'Kettle the Met' - London: Saturday 23rd May

[partyzan]

Read the fucking poster posted further up the thread. It does say there is SWAPPIE involvement.

OOOOH...language now...thought the geezer was referring to the content of my post.

...and yes the swp are involved, but that doesn't make the cause any less worth fighting for, otherwise you might well think the same of poverty and injustice per se.....my sectarian friend.....these are serious issues that go way beyond the petty bickerings of infantile individuals who feel the need to marginalise the creation of movements to challenge injustice, on the basis of their own petty political affliations and ideologies, that only serve to masturbate their egos...sorry dude xxxx

 

[partyzan]

It's just an SWP front, surely? Definitely looks like one.

In an attempt to reassure your anxieties this is from the campaign website:

We had a fantastic official start to our campaign this week. Around 150 people gathered for the launch meeting of United Campaign Against Police Violence in London on Tuesday. The rally heard from Green Party member of the London Assembly, Jenny Jones, Anna Fairclough from Liberty, Sam Rigg-David from Sean Rigg Justice and Change Campaign, Deborah Coles of Inquest, Andrew Burgin from Stop the War, Martin Smith from the SWP and Andy from Legal Defence & Monitoring Group. We were also privileged to hear from family members of both Roger Sylvester and Habib 'Paps' Ullah - both of whom died in the custody of police. A video of the meeting will be forthcoming on the website.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

OOOOH...language now...thought the geezer was referring to the content of my post.

...and yes the swp are involved, but that doesn't make the cause any less worth fighting for, otherwise you might well think the same of poverty and injustice per se.....my sectarian friend.....these are serious issues that go way beyond the petty bickerings of infantile individuals who feel the need to marginalise the creation of movements to challenge injustice, on the basis of their own petty political affliations and ideologies, that only serve to masturbate their egos...sorry dude xxxx

Tbh, that sounds like a description of the swappies to me.

 

[partyzan]

Tbh, that sounds like a description of the swappies to me.

...affirmative, along with all the other 57 varieties

 

[sam/phallocrat]

In an attempt to reassure your anxieties this is from the campaign website:

Yup, that describes the epitomy of an SWP front.

 

[partyzan]

Yup, that describes the epitomy of an SWP front.

How on earth do you make that out....your reasoning if you please?

 

[free spirit]

How on earth do you make that out....your reasoning if you please?

tis their modus operandi... see a bandwagon, jump on it, get speakers from other groups onboard to make it not look like a swappie front, but ensure that the swp holds the reigns in the background, then proceed to gradually strangle the life out of any foolishly naive person who dares to come along and try to inject some real life and passion into the cause, prior to moving onto the next bandwagon and repeating the process.

it's just how they operate, which unfortunately makes any organistion that has SWP involvement into either an SWP front group, or a group that the SWP will attempt to turn into their puppet if it shows any promise at all, and will likely decend into bitter internal backbiting, prior to either becoming an swp front, or the swp walking away leaving a scarred wreck of an organisation.

and you can be absolutely sure that it'll never ever do anything effective being as the SWP is infiltrated to fuck, and as far as I can work out pretty much exists purely as a method of leaching the lifeblood away from any serious challenge to the status quo.

IMO / IME

 

[audiotech]

'Bandwagon jumping' when SWP member Blair Peach was killed in Southall?

At least three protesters were hit so hard their skulls fractured. Blair Peach was one of them.

 

[partyzan]

'Bandwagon jumping' when SWP member Blair Peach was killed in Southall?

I tend to agree that it's not about who's organising a demo, but the essential principles of opposing oppression and injustice that take precedence. Although at the same time I can't countenance organsiations who attempt to hijack a legitimate grass roots campaign for their own political gain, but then again I'd rather have people out on the streets protesting against brutal and oppressive methods of policing, than not at all!

 

[winjer]

yes it is, shame where are the anarchist, oh that would be it looking at the fluth in there belly buttons..

LDMG are actively involved, so as ever, you're wrong.

 

[tar1984]

This today then? Have fun.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

We awaiting reports...

 

[editor]

I was there! Photos soon.

 

[editor]

A few pics:

http://www.urban75.org/photos/protest/kettle-the-met-protest.html

 

[smokedout]

god that looks depressing

glad i didnt go now

 

[editor]

god that looks depressing

glad i didnt go now

Yeah, you were really going to come along, weren't you?

Bullshitter.

 

[Poi E]

A

I shouldn't, but

 

[editor]

I shouldn't, but

It's the money shot!

 

[rock_on]

I was there, didn't take any photo's or owt. What was happening at the beginning at Trafalgar Square - Were the police trying to stop the march with SOCPA? Whatever their objections anyway it went ahead, did anyone get any photo's of the actual kettling?

 

[smokedout]

Yeah, you were really going to come along, weren't you?

Bullshitter.

yeah i was, but i had to trek across the country to pick up my kid - what a weird fucking thing to say, im not sure what your trying to imply

but im glad i didnt because ive been on enough swappie miserable jaunts to last a lifetime and im glad i didnt have to endure another

 

[partyzan]

Judging by the poor turn out on yesterday's demo I fear that the momentum for building an effective national campaign against Police violence is being lost. It seems that active support and mobilisation for this campaign is concentrated almost exclusively in London.

 

[winjer]

What was happening at the beginning at Trafalgar Square - Were the police trying to stop the march with SOCPA?

No, they were telling people it was illegal as no organiser had notified them under section 11 of the Public Order Act 1986, they were reminded that this doesn't actually make the march itself illegal, as only the 'organiser' has committed an offence. (SOCPA doesn't apply to marches)

They also 'assisted' one of the GLA's 'heritage wardens' to remind people that it's illegal (only a byelaw though) to gather in Trafalgar Square without permission from the Mayor.

 

[SpookyFrank]

tis their modus operandi... see a bandwagon, jump on it, get speakers from other groups onboard to make it not look like a swappie front, but ensure that the swp holds the reigns in the background, then proceed to gradually strangle the life out of any foolishly naive person who dares to come along and try to inject some real life and passion into the cause, prior to moving onto the next bandwagon and repeating the process.

it's just how they operate, which unfortunately makes any organistion that has SWP involvement into either an SWP front group, or a group that the SWP will attempt to turn into their puppet if it shows any promise at all, and will likely decend into bitter internal backbiting, prior to either becoming an swp front, or the swp walking away leaving a scarred wreck of an organisation.

and you can be absolutely sure that it'll never ever do anything effective being as the SWP is infiltrated to fuck, and as far as I can work out pretty much exists purely as a method of leaching the lifeblood away from any serious challenge to the status quo.

IMO / IME

Good post. For an extreme example of commie bandwagon-hopping and how it can maul a popular movement to death, read up on the Spanish civil war.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Every time you wave a placard printed en masse by someone else god kills a kitten.

 

[IC3D]

There was no chance of kettling the met on yesterday unfortunately, it is a huge building unsurprisingly, there was at a guess 500 heads there. The swp are not to blame for the lack of support really are they, merely filling a vacuum that is there because other activists are not mobilising out of the general pools of influence (sorry me if I'm wrong) they move in and the swp are good at knocking up banners and leafleting etc and some people I gather flyered Millwall (I assume it was them) got quite a few down, an announcement in the stadium would of been a great addition in adding greater numbers of non activist people. Providing physical support to the afro Caribbean community in promoting the demo too would of helped, as I say I don't know how events were promoted but I just left feeling maybe an opportunity was missed but then again it could be apathy, and next time something clicks, and I don't want to detract from any effort people put in at all. I guess for something to take of it needs that kinetic energy to kick in and that is a tuff one

 

[shaman75]

my pictures:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14168344@N08/sets/72157618659034701/show/

 

[partyzan]

Judging by the poor turn out on yesterday's demo I fear that the momentum for building an effective national campaign against Police violence is being lost. It seems that active support and mobilisation for this campaign is concentrated almost exclusively in London.

...perhaps i was wrong.

 

[shaman75]

I found the speech from Sean Rigg's sister quite moving.

The whole thing here:


I've put up the first part of my video too, covering the early part at Trafalgar Square before the march. Bit of a speech followed by the Police Officer in charge setting out how he is prepared to let the procession go ahead, despite it being 'unlawful'.

 

[partyzan]

There are at least 20 videos of the demo on YT now....nice work! I just hope that this might help to encourage more people to get involved in the next event which I understand is a commemoration to mark the 100th day after Ian Tomlinson's death.

 

[sam/phallocrat]

How on earth do you make that out....your reasoning if you please?

tis their modus operandi... see a bandwagon, jump on it, get speakers from other groups onboard to make it not look like a swappie front, but ensure that the swp holds the reigns in the background, then proceed to gradually strangle the life out of any foolishly naive person who dares to come along and try to inject some real life and passion into the cause, prior to moving onto the next bandwagon and repeating the process.

it's just how they operate, which unfortunately makes any organistion that has SWP involvement into either an SWP front group, or a group that the SWP will attempt to turn into their puppet if it shows any promise at all, and will likely decend into bitter internal backbiting, prior to either becoming an swp front, or the swp walking away leaving a scarred wreck of an organisation.

and you can be absolutely sure that it'll never ever do anything effective being as the SWP is infiltrated to fuck, and as far as I can work out pretty much exists purely as a method of leaching the lifeblood away from any serious challenge to the status quo.

IMO / IME

what he said (in a far more articulate way than I could even manage)