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Ken Rockwell is dangerous to photography

Bungle73 said:
It does. RAW files give the ability to drag much more detail out of the shadows and the highlights in the image than a JPEG file does. When your camera creates a JPEG it throws a ton of information away, that's why RAW files are so big - all that detail captured by the sensor is still there. I know I'm going to get slammed again for mentioning another video, but I'm going to anyway. Just look at what this guy does. He turns an average looking photo into an amazing looking one, and all with the power of a RAW file:



I'll stick with RAW, thanks. :)
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Personally, I can't bear those over-saturated, heavily retouched, manipulated, postcardy images.
 
Personally, I can't bear those over-saturated, heavily retouched, manipulated, postcardy images.
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A-ch Dee Arrrr

If it's now a hate thread, I know art is personal, and one photographer's terrorist is another one's freedom fighter blah blah blah.....

But fookin' HDR shoit.

It hurts my eyes.
 
editor said:
Personally, I can't bear those over-saturated, heavily retouched, manipulated, postcardy images.
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FridgeMagnet said:
I'm not even going there.
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But the point is the power a RAW file gives you.

There's another video, where Mike Browne himself uses a RAW file in a much more subtle way to fix a photo he took on an actual job (an interior for a hotel) where the lighting conditions were difficult. I'd post that, but it's 17 minutes and I'm sure you'd complain.
 
One can certainly post-process RAW files. It is a regular article of faith that one cannot similarly post-process JPEG files, or can only do so to a lesser extent.
 
Bungle73 said:
It does. RAW files give the ability to drag much more detail out of the shadows and the highlights in the image than a JPEG file does. When your camera creates a JPEG it throws a ton of information away, that's why RAW files are so big - all that detail captured by the sensor is still there. I know I'm going to get slammed again for mentioning another video, but I'm going to anyway. Just look at what this guy does. He turns an average looking photo into an amazing looking one, and all with the power of a RAW file:



I'll stick with RAW, thanks. :)
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You're like a kid who just discovered that his dick's for more than just stirring his tea :D

I'm pretty sure you're not telling anyone anything they don't already know ;)

P.S... That picture in the video is like one of Ken Rockwell's saturated to death images that he claims has come straight from the camera.
 
When I shoot digital, I almost (98%) always shoot in RAW. Why? Because I like to control the final image, its work flow. I open up the RAW images on the card using the Open Source UFRaw. Ok, it's not cutting edge. I then edit the images, maybe adjusting the EV, White Balance, etc. If I want to create a digital b/w, i like to control it's creation at RAW stage, through channel mixer. I then save the edited images that I want to save (a select minority) as full resolution, low compression jpegs on my pooter hard drive.

I rarely print. I share online, so I later edit further, and add compression / lower resolution using Open Source Gimp - before uploading to Flickr.

That's what I like to do when going digital.
 
ToothlessFerret said:
Wtf are you lot arguing over? I told you. Shoot in RAW for when you fuck up exposure and white balance.
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The thing is that if you fuck up exposure, shooting RAW won't save you any more than shooting JPEG (unless you have one of these weird clipping cameras which I seem to have managed never to find). You've still fucked it up and your camera has not captured the information you wanted it to and tough luck do it better next time. The JPEG will have blocky shadows which you will not be able to simply boost, as opposed to the horrible dotty shadows of the RAW which you will not be able to simply boost.
 
Dr_Herbz said:
You're like a kid who just discovered that his dick's for more than just stirring his tea :D
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two sugars?

Bungle73 you're a fascinating chap. but i suggest you get out and play with your new toy & take some pics. see how they come out. make a few mistakes. get a feel for the thing.

rather than wondering about achieving perfection whilst gently touching yourself watching youtube videos made by *people who have bugger-all relevance to what you want to do*

srsly.
 
fuck seals said:
two sugars?

Bungle73 you're a fascinating chap. but i suggest you get out and play with your new toy & take some pics. see how they come out. make a few mistakes. get a feel for the thing.

rather than wondering about achieving perfection whilst gently touching yourself watching youtube videos made by *people who have bugger-all relevance to what you want to do*

srsly.
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Like this you mean?

http://500px.com/photo/60791526/tower-bridge-at-night-by-graham-west?from=user_library
 
I shoot 98% crap. I'm working on hitting 92%. Fiddling with raw is worth say 1% of that. I'd rather work on the more important shit.

Also, I recently sold all my MTG cards and I can't be arsed with a programming project my mate keeps hastling me about. More important things to worry about.

On the plus side I'm in the British library a lot and the place is soooo photogenic I can't wait for my lens to arrive.
 
Bungle73 said:
It's an example of an image that I am proud of (shot in RAW and edited in Lightroom btw). But if I took it again I would alter a few things.
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I don't suppose you want anyone's reasonably informed opinion of it, or some of the others in your collection?
 
editor said:
They're weird, Especially the ones that hire cheap 'glamour' models to snap away at in their club shed.
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Point 2 of why I've never joined a camera club.

We had a camera club member come and start as a student at a college I was at once, he was in his 40's, ended up dating a (just) 16 year old and kept taking inapropriate photos of her in the student.
 
sim667 said:
Men with cameras, arguing about how to use cameras.

This is why I've never joined a camera club.
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editor said:
They're weird, Especially the ones that hire cheap 'glamour' models to snap away at in their club shed.
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sim667 said:
Point 2 of why I've never joined a camera club.

We had a camera club member come and start as a student at a college I was at once, he was in his 40's, ended up dating a (just) 16 year old and kept taking inapropriate photos of her in the student.
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Nothing strange about my camera club. Just a bunch of people who enjoy photography meeting up to chew the fat, look at images, and generally pursue their interest. We don't hire models, we get plenty of volunteers, we get a model, they get prints and or jpegs.
 
weltweit said:
Nothing strange about my camera club. Just a bunch of people who enjoy photography meeting up to chew the fat, look at images, and generally pursue their interest. We don't hire models, we get plenty of volunteers, we get a model, they get prints and or jpegs.
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((((camera club not doing it properly))))

:p
 
weltweit said:
Looks nice, perhaps a slow exposure? I suppose you probably used a tripod? or rested your camera on a wall or something? For me I prefer a little more light in the sky, perhaps a shade earlier in the evening. Well I say that, it isn't really my style of photo.
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I don't think he wants to hear any criticism unless it's coming from someone who's made a YouTube video.
 
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