Ken Rockwell is dangerous to photography

[Hocus Eye.]

Bungle73 why have you re-opened this discussio? The link you give is not to a quote, it is to a thread which does not contain the editor saying that DSLRs don't have advantages. If he thought this why would he have bought several DSLRs.

It seems to me that you get confused with people's words. Perhaps you also get confused with your own words. Check them before posting. Perhaps you are very busy and doing too many things at once. We all get like that sometimes.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Yeah, it was definitely the ed who bumped this thread after nearly three weeks to add a load of insults. The damn stalker.

FridgeMagnet I don't think that Bungle will understand irony.

 

[editor]

You would still continue to deny ever saying it, even though there are 24 pages for all to see do where you do.

Then just produce one quote that backs up your claim.

 

[Bungle73]

Yeah, it was definitely the ed who bumped this thread after nearly three weeks to add a load of insults. The damn stalker.

One, this is my thread, so I will make a reply any time I like in it. Second, where are the "loads of insults" in the first post I posted today? Third

Bungle73 why have you re-opened this discussio? The link you give is not to a quote, it is to a thread which does not contain the editor saying that DSLRs don't have advantages. If he thought this why would he have bought several DSLRs.

It seems to me that you get confused with people's words. Perhaps you also get confused with your own words. Check them before posting. Perhaps you are very busy and doing too many things at once. We all get like that sometimes.

I'm not the one who's confused. Have you actually read that thread? You haven't have you? I gave a list of reasons why DSLRs have the advantage and Ed spent 24 pages arguing that camera phones were just as capable. 24 fucking pages, so don't you or he sit there and deny what he said because he did fucking say it.

He even made up evidence to support his claim, that a publication had switched to camera phones, when that wasn't the full story at all!

And then there's the pathetic images that were posted that were an attempt to reproduce the characteristics of a DSLR that I had mentioned, which if Ed was really the level of photographer he claims to be would know were nothing like I was talking about.

 

[Bungle73]

Then just produce one quote that backs up your claim.

Why don't you tell me what you were arguing with me for 24 pages about then? We've been through this before and you couldn't say. Why is that??

 

[weltweit]

Why don't you tell me what you were arguing with me for 24 pages about then? We've been through this before and you couldn't say. Why is that??

Bungle, I know it is easy to build up resentment, a feeling of being wronged - and the like - but is it really worth prolonging this disagreement?

 

[editor]

Why don't you tell me what you were arguing with me for 24 pages about then? We've been through this before and you couldn't say. Why is that??

Sadly, it's only you that's having trouble comprehending the clear meaning of what's been said, rather than what your confused head has cooked up.

That's why I imagine that everyone else thinks you're acting like a gibbering idiot here.

 

[Bungle73]

Bungle, I know it is easy to build up resentment, a feeling of being wronged - and the like - but is it really worth prolonging this disagreement?

You're speaking to the wrong bloke. The person who has built up resentment and prolonging it is Ed.

 

[Bungle73]

Sadly, it's only you that's having trouble comprehending the clear meaning of what's been said, rather than what your confused head has cooked up.

That's why I imagine that everyone else thinks you're acting like a gibbering idiot here.

So you can't tell me what you were arguing with me about then (one would think that was a simple task)? Surprise, surprise. Then there's nothing more to be said..............

 

[Belushi]

Jesus Bungle why do this to yourself

 

[Dr_Herbz]

 

[Hocus Eye.]

So you can't tell me what you were arguing with me about then (one would think that was a simple task)? Surprise, surprise. Then there's nothing more to be said..............

"Nothing more to be said". Praise Be.

 

[fractionMan]

wise words

 

[ViolentPanda]

Jesus Bungle why do this to yourself

For our amusement and edification, and because he's a wanksock.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

"Lomography", as far as it can be described as a thing, is not elitist. The company called Lomography is interested in getting your money of course, but even their forums and user blogs have lots of people talking about using cheap products that are nothing to do with them. Tbh even their cameras are not absurdly overpriced - it costs money to make new things, particularly in small batches with relatively low sales, and prices on eBay for film cameras do not reflect actual manufacturing costs.

If anything, "Lomography" is deliberately anti-elitist by attacking traditional concepts of what a "good" photo is, or whether there is such a thing at all.

Lomography is elitist for the very reasons you say it isn't.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I make no bold claims about my photography - it's a hobby really, although I have worked professionally - but I do sell thousands of pounds worth of photos every year and you can see my work on the walls of an international airport, so I guess I know which way to put my lens hood. How about you?

I think you're a pretty good photographer; but I'm not buying the money argument. Talent/artistry/money aren't necessarily linked.

This person makes more money from photography that any of us will ever see - combined even.

http://www.annegeddes.com/picture-galleries/?album=1&gallery=13

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Lomography is elitist for the very reasons you say it isn't.

All right then. What is elitist about attacking traditional concepts of what constitutes good photography and questioning whether there is such a thing at all?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

All right then. What is elitist about attacking traditional concepts of what constitutes good photography and questioning whether there is such a thing at all?

Another question is - is elitism always and necessarily a bad thing?

 

[editor]

I think you're a pretty good photographer; but I'm not buying the money argument. Talent/artistry/money aren't necessarily linked.

Good job I wasn't positing that argument then, although it's fair to say that if you are making a decent amount of money out of photography then it's likely you at least have some idea of how to take a half decent picture.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Good job I wasn't positing that argument then, although it's fair to say that if you are making a decent amount of money out of photography then it's likely you at least have some idea of how to take a half decent picture.

My mistake, I thought that's what you meant by this:

but I do sell thousands of pounds worth of photos every year and you can see my work on the walls of an international airport, so I guess I know which way to put my lens hood.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Another question is - is elitism always and necessarily a bad thing?

I'm not entirely sure you have this question and answer thing down.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I'm not entirely sure you have this question and answer thing down.

Does this have anything to do with a discussion of elitism?

 

[editor]

My mistake, I thought that's what you meant by this:

Knowing which way to put on a lens hood is hardly a major boast of talent. Well, not to most normal people.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Does this have anything to do with a discussion of elitism?

It is trying to. Generally the procedure is that when you contradict someone and they say "why?" you then explain why, rather than asking another question. It tends to lead to the most productive discussions.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It is trying to. Generally the procedure is that when you contradict someone and they say "why?" you then explain why, rather than asking another question. It tends to lead to the most productive discussions.

Very clever: but it's gone so far down an irrelevant rabbit hole that I've ceased to be able to follow you.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Let me help you then.

All right then. What is elitist about attacking traditional concepts of what constitutes good photography and questioning whether there is such a thing at all?

That.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I think that by definition, what you are describing is elitist: which brought on the question: must elitism always and of necessity be considered a bad thing?

 

[weltweit]

.. This person makes more money from photography that any of us will ever see - combined even.

http://www.annegeddes.com/picture-galleries/?album=1&gallery=13

It looks like she is pretty good at what she does.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It looks like she is pretty good at what she does.

But is it art?

 

[weltweit]

But is it art?

I don't find that an important question, I think people get hung up on that debate when what really matters is - do your target audience's like it or not? Obviously that is speaking in a commercial sense, you have to like it yourself to motivate you to continue.