The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Tell Jemly Crumblin and the student left to move over. The grown up left are in the room now
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Keir Starmer's time is up
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Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
It's that panicked expression that he has whenever he's asked a direct question. God knows how he managed as a lawyer 'oh shit he says he wasn't in the bank with the shotgun, what the hell do I do now.'
gosub
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Its security concerns that make it unworkable...using Falklands as an example ..Argentine Ambassador was in parliament when they made the South Atlantic fleet cuts ..pretty much was the green light. And they had to keep the Chilean side of things quiet..and they were vital. not only to what happened with Belgrano but the one day things stopped working in Chile RN lost a lot of ships.
Suspect in due time, from later wars, examples may emerge where more parliamentary scrutiny would have helped .
ska invita
back on the other side
timing
www.thejc.com
Keir Starmer drops Corbyn-era policy on Palestinian statehood
Labour leader tells the JC any recognition would not be unilateral but come as part of a peace process
gosub
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Was there ever going to be a good time to admit Oslo is no longer viable. Given the land grabs since 93 going to be a tough job coming up with a new proposal...timing
Keir Starmer drops Corbyn-era policy on Palestinian statehood
Labour leader tells the JC any recognition would not be unilateral but come as part of a peace process
see what Xi can come up with? There was an old joke about a Jew in Northern Ireland ...Hymie are you jewish Catholic or Jewish protestant? Maybe someone from outside the Abrahamic schools of thought could make a difference
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ska invita
back on the other side
The time to actively announce to the Jewish Chronicle to tell them Labour will change its policy about automatic recognition of Palestine whilst Israel is wiping Palestine off the map is the timing of a genocide enabler
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
By South Atlantic Fleet you mean hms endurance. Rather a stretch of imagination to describe that as a fleet.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
But remember 39th, if you don't vote for this rubbish you're a Tory supporter
I most definitely agree with the anti-Kieth sentiment, but I wasn’t so fond of this bit:
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
Half of Starmer’s pitch at the moment, when not aimed at some hypothetical 50+ white racist divorced dad in the former Red Wall, seems to be about convincing the ruling class, their media mouthpieces and their deep state servants that he is no threat to them or their interests; that it will be business (murderous, colonialist, exploitative, extractivist) as usual.
It’s all “please don’t smear/destabilise/sabotage me, I really am a loyal servant of the capitalist class and US/UK geopolitical interests!”
When seen from this angle, the reason for all the electorally unnecessary/superfluous/even damaging takes and positions he comes out with becomes clear. He is kissing the masters’ arses.
It’s all “please don’t smear/destabilise/sabotage me, I really am a loyal servant of the capitalist class and US/UK geopolitical interests!”
When seen from this angle, the reason for all the electorally unnecessary/superfluous/even damaging takes and positions he comes out with becomes clear. He is kissing the masters’ arses.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Indeed. His synthetic army of online supporters don't seem to get that, unfortunately.
Maybe they have forgotten about Blair etc, or maybe they were too young to remember...
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
Startling isn’t it.
gosub
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Now we are all longer in the tooth, I wonder how obvious it was to the older generation that with Blair we were getting fooled again
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Certainly bought into it for 5 minutes and then realised that it was just more of the same. Being able to vote in the UK was a thrill that wore off relatively sharpish.
Would be an unpleasant choice if still had a vote. Starmer is just plain wrong and can't understand how some see him as a positive.
He stands for nothing except the status quo. Why do some people get so excited about his non-vision?
gosub
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But Daltrey and Co weren't singing about Blair when they talked about party on the left being party on the right etc . It's a thing
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Apologies, only recently started listening to The Who proper, can you elaborate a bit?
gosub
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Lyrics of won't get fooled again were written well before Blair...but is as you say met the new boss...same as the old boss.
Not sure about whom they were referring but must have happened before
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
That's an idea that can be traced a long way back. Ramsay MacDonald, for example.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I was 36 when Blair came to power and was desperate to see the back of the tories, given they'd been in power every year of my adult life (I joined Labour in 1979 but had left in late 80s due to the defeat of the Bennite/left forces). It was obvious that Blair and Brown had repositioned Labour and that the '3rd way' was just an ideological formation to cover what would be a capital friendly government. The bit that I was naively taken in by was the 'ethical foreign policy' line, around Robin Cook - ho ho ho - and also that Labour would reduce the sleaze of the tory years (also ho ho ho).
They are all neo-liberal scum and of course Blair gave us the Iraq war. However, it's pretty obvious that a Starmer government is going to be so much worse than the Blair/Brown era. Hideous in fact. Labour formally and finally breaking the last threads of the link to social democracy. Also, Starmer himself is so deeply wooden and lacking with regard to judgement and human touch that I suspect his like/dislike figures will be worse than Johnson/Truss/Lettuce/Cat Bin Lady/Paula Vennels/Harold Shipman...
gosub
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I think Robin Cook meant his 'ethical' foreign policy. Certainly resigned on principal over Iraq...Blair's principal argument for UK involvement - being a guiding hand to help shape things after ...Rumsfeld and Chenney put pay to that which is what Claire Short actually resigned over. Prior to the invasion too. That should have rung alarm bells..as it was people just shrugged and said 'she's no Robin Cook'
They weren't all bad. .Mo Mowlam for example and Blunkett his at least taken ownership of his most disastrous policy and tried to have it undone (to no avail). God knows what Brown is actually like as an OU tutor but gained some respect for he has done in his retirement.
At least Starmer won't be calling for petty criminals to be marched to cashpoints....it would put his mates at the DPP out of work
PTK
Paul Kegan
Yes, that is what struck me too. Starmer's panicked expression.
PTK
Paul Kegan
So, the people in Yemen were caught by surprise? They did not know an attack was coming?
PTK
Paul Kegan
You are ignoring the fact that the islanders owned a number of rowing boats.
PTK
Paul Kegan
The lyric is surely "the parting on the right" and "the parting on the left", which a reference to hair styles.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Mo Mowlam and Robin Cook outshone the lot of them.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Sunak announced in advance that Yemen was going to be bombed, so there was no element of surprise. Delaying the raids by a few days would not have helped the Yemenis. There is no reason that the proposal to attack could not have been put to Parliament for approval in advance of the attack.
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