littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I dunno. Genuinely. Do I hate Starmer less than I hated Sunak? In some ways I hate him more.
Keir Starmer's time is up
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PTK
Paul Kegan
I am disgusted at this obvious corruption.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
set aside outrage. how FUCKING STUPID must he be to have been caught doing something like this? How did his brain do the computations and come up with 'yeah, taking freebies from the uber-rich is fine' as its conclusion?
Aside from everything else (and by fuck the 'everything else' is A LOT), Starmer is a fuckwit.
His politics are appalling. But he is also an appalling politician, just judging him strictly by the standards of his trade. How the FUCK is this twat prime minister?
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
PPE scandal, sure. Early days, though. Truss budget? Yeah ok. Even the Tories are embarrassed about that one. National Debt? I don't give a fuck about the national debt. Bring it on. Make it bigger. Better than cutting money from the poor. Borrow more and give it to the poor.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Change of clothes?
Humberto
Godspede
Agree with the sentiment but short of a revolution it's gotta be paid by the workers no? It's moved up trillions under the Tories, what did we get out of it? I'd double it happily if it was invested in bettering citizens wellbeing if there was some kind of reasonable context.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Well, the UK debt was very high in the 1960s, but there was more equality, and the economy was growing.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Point is that the level of the national debt is not a problem per se. And being boring about it, it currently has an average maturity length of 14 years, which is fine. The UK is not even close to being in trouble financially, despite what starmer's govt is trying to make out. Raise taxes and borrow to invest. That should be the plan.
I wasn't being facetious with that bit. I'd like to see the national debt going up right now, along with the tax intake.
Humberto
Godspede
But it can be.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I don't know. I mean, you expect the Conservatives to be cunts.
Labour's arguably worse, in a way, because people on the left expect better of them than all the nepotism, cronyism, grifting, providing weaponry to war criminals, speaking out in favour of leaving oppressed people without electricity and water, voting not to increase the benefits of families with more than two children ie keeping them in poverty, and also voting to cut many pensioners' winter fuel payments, etc.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
He looks a bit grifty, a lot grifty rather.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
You're going to have to narrow it down.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
This is the problem: trash like Starmer/Reeves/McSweeney tarnish the image of genuine leftists, and thereby act as recruiting sergeants for the Far Right.
LakieLady
Well-Known Member
I hate him more.
I knew Sunak was going to be a useless shit who didn't give a fuck about poverty and public services because that's the Tories' raison d'etre. I expected Starmer to actually give a shit about that stuff and not line his own pockets and he's proved himself to be every bit as corrupt as the other lot.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Aside from everything else (and by fuck the 'everything else' is A LOT), Starmer is a fuckwit.
His politics are appalling. But he is also an appalling politician, just judging him strictly by the standards of his trade. How the FUCK is this twat prime minister?
That’s exactly it.
It was priced in that his politics were shit. Bland managerial elite centrism was a given. What wasn’t is just how shit at politics he is.
Labour’s one offer at the election was ‘our politics are as bad as the Tories, we have no ideas, no plan for the economy or things that matter to people. We will bow before the market and will clear the state out of the way for it and it’s essentially more of the same. But we are more competent and less venal”.
Instead it appears that they are even less competent and as venal and - given the winter fuel allowance disaster and freebiegate disaster - just uselsss at politics.
What sticks in the craw is that for the past 5 years Starmer and co have sneered at Corbyn and McDonnell’s amateurish leadership only to turn out to be worse but in posher clothes.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
I agree because of early government decisions and what Starmer's done to the labour party, although it's a tight run thing with Sunak for example having boasted about taking money from "deprived urban areas" to Tunbridge Wells
and other affluent tory areas.And Sunak had already resigned by the time of the election so it's not really him we need to be comparing when it came to the election itself - it's headbangers like Braverman who are likely to be in charge of the tories.
Eta: as pointed out by Pickman's model below, this is bollocks.
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AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
... posher clothes paid for/donated by wealthy party donors who have made donations just out of pure altruism, not expecting any quid pro quo at any point, no sirree.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sunak resigned after the election https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pm-sunak-resign-prime-minister-conservative-leader-2024-07-05/I agree because of early government decisions and what Starmer's done to the labour party, although it's a tight run thing with Sunak for example having boasted about taking money from "deprived urban areas" to Tunbridge Wells
And Sunak had already resigned by the time of the election so it's not really him we need to be comparing when it came to the election itself - it's headbangers like Braverman who are likely to be in charge of the tories.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
you can't complain, all labour leaders get bad press. He just has to deal with the matter. Apologise. Then we can move on.
I wonder if the rise of Reform will be as unexamined in court politics writing as the rise of the SNP was- I'm not comparing the two I'm just noting how bizarrely uninterested in the bread and butter who what how when of politics the coverage seems to be. Just goodies, baddies, who's up who's down, dining out ons stories of intenal party backstabbing.
Plumdaff
joy in people
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He's got a problem with people, generally
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Indeed, and I don't think it is just the party faithful, I think Starmer himself thinks he beat the Tories because of some innate superiority of his own.
In response to journalist's questions I have heard Starmer say, "I have a majority, a mandate for change". Truth is people were so fed up to the back teeth with the Tories they would have voted for a plank of wood in Labour to be rid of them. Indeed some might say that we did vote for that plank!
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Don't hold back Spandex, say what you think
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