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Keir Starmer's time is up

Count Cuckula said:
We had a load of flag-shaggers in town on Armed Forces Day where I live. I did wonder why it was all slippery around the war memorial.
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Armed Forces Day was one of my least favourite of New Labour's ghastly authoritarian measures. If people want to join up and go and die horrific deaths in foreign climes for no reason whatsoever they should jolly well invade Mars on one of Elon Musk's spaceships and leave the rest of us in peace.
 
The39thStep said:
www.bbc.com

Jeremy Corbyn: Bring manufacturing 'back to Britain'

Labour will seek to ensure "we build things here that for too long have been built abroad".
www.bbc.com
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Not known as the left party of capital for nothing.

That said, there were/are obvious nuanced differences between the presentation of this 'British Jobs' policy by the left and right factions.
Where Corbyn spoke of procurement for nationalised/state run industries, public benefit and manufacturing, Starmer talks of making British businesses thrive, growing fintech and media.

Starmer very obviously apeing the Tories.
 
Pickman's model said:
this is the modern 'backing britain' campaign

but sadly without its most eloquent spokesman, sir bruce forsyth

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Wasn;t there pretty good employment in 1968? Not quite full but not bad. I am trying to Google a figure but finding it difficult. Not like the approx 2.6 million today (higher if hidden unemployment is added in and if you include all the poor souls hawking themselves off at places like Chaturbate to earn meagre shekels)

en.wikipedia.org

Unemployment in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

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two sheds said:
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Christ what joy the Hayekian-Friedmanite-Randite New Right revolution was. From Wikipedia:

It has been retrospectively estimated that the official measure for calculating the unemployment rate was changed at least 29 times between 1979 and 1989.[22] Later in the decade, the government began instructing doctors with the National Health Service to find ways where they could to diagnose unemployed patients with illnesses or injuries resulting from their previous work so they could receive sickness or invalidity benefit and thus no longer be considered unemployed
 
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Argonia said:
Christ what joy the Hayekian-Friedmanite-Randite New Right revolution was. From Wikipedia:

It has been retrospectively estimated that the official measure for calculating the unemployment rate was changed at least 29 times between 1979 and 1989.[22] Later in the decade, the government began instructing doctors with the National Health Service to find ways where they could to diagnose unemployed patients with illnesses or injuries resulting from their previous work so they could receive sickness or invalidity benefit and thus no longer be considered unemployed
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not to mention that everyone on new deal being sent on training courses and work placements were not considered unemployed
 
Count Cuckula said:
But he's not calling for the workers to seize the means of production and distribution (and never has done). With his plan the bosses would still be in charge and the capitalist system unharmed and still firmly in control.
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Labour never has. The nationalisation programme of the 1945 and 1964 Governments largely left the extant management structures in place. Collective bargaining was largely concerned with productivity/pay arrangements and management prerogative largely unhindered. However, in the current period even a return to that type of social democratic arrangement would be a step in the right direction.
 
two sheds said:
and jobs used to be pretty secure and with pensions. Isn't it incredible how after all the efficiency improvements we've had since 1979 businesses can afford to pay their staff so much less.
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Basic state pension has to be defended like crazy. Way things are going there won't be anything when we retire at 87 and we'll all end up making puppets out of string in Oliver Twist workhouses and little silver trinket George Crosses for the 1.5 million NHS workers.

The most you can currently get is £137.60 per week.

www.gov.uk

The basic State Pension

How to claim the basic State Pension and how it's calculated - for men born before 6 April 1951 and women born before 6 April 1953.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

(Although I have personally lost my faith in the pound sterling so not relying on that too much anymore)
 
Pretty well all the MPs have grown up having had the advantages of full employment, NHS, free education, unemployment benefit (not that more than a few will ever have needed it) and low rents. Pulling up the drawbridge now to exclude the young. Utter cunts the lot of them that agree with this.
 
two sheds said:
Pretty well all the MPs have grown up having had the advantages of full employment, NHS, free education, unemployment benefit (not that more than a few will ever have needed it) and low rents. Pulling up the drawbridge now to exclude the young. Utter cunts the lot of them that agree with this.
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I used to watch the Parliament channel a bit when I lived in Vauxhall (BBC 232 I think) and it made me laugh like a drain to see the ludicrous proceedings in that 18th century chamber with all those silly conventions like "right honourable gentleman" and Black Rod at the door and all the rest of it. None of them can make a single speech and there isn't an ounce of Ciceronian oratory or rhetoric in the whole shambolic place.
 
two sheds said:
Pretty well all the MPs have grown up having had the advantages of full employment, NHS, free education, unemployment benefit (not that more than a few will ever have needed it) and low rents. Pulling up the drawbridge now to exclude the young. Utter cunts the lot of them that agree with this.
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In the Guardian this morning there is a long piece about the culture war off the back of polling by Frank Luntz. Buried away in the drone about taking the knee, performative politics, wokeism etc are these two nuggets:

"One reason for the divide appears to be a sense that everyday concerns have been forgotten. Asked what areas politicians understand least well, the top choice was the cost of living, with four of the top five connected to economic wellbeing".

"Another question asked people to nominate the greatest divide in modern Britain. For Labour voters the top answer was rich against poor"

Put simply, any party that focused squarely on economic justice and reducing economic inequality (both of which also connect and speak to people across various other 'divides' the piece and the Guradian seem more interested in: racial, spatial, age etc) would enjoy a massive welter of support. But as the Luntz research goes on to note.... "In the most visceral response when voters were asked whether their overall attitude towards politicians could be summarised as “fuck them all”, 61% agreed, with only 20% actively disagreeing".
 
Smokeandsteam said:
In the Guardian this morning there is a long piece about the culture war off the back of polling by Frank Luntz. Buried away in the drone about taking the knee, performative politics, wokeism etc are these two nuggets:

"One reason for the divide appears to be a sense that everyday concerns have been forgotten. Asked what areas politicians understand least well, the top choice was the cost of living, with four of the top five connected to economic wellbeing".

"Another question asked people to nominate the greatest divide in modern Britain. For Labour voters the top answer was rich against poor"

Put simply, any party that focused squarely on economic justice and reducing economic inequality (both of which also connect and speak to people across various other 'divides' the piece and the Guradian seem more interested in: racial, spatial, age etc) would enjoy a massive welter of support. But as the Luntz research goes on to note.... "In the most visceral response when voters were asked whether their overall attitude towards politicians could be summarised as “fuck them all”, 61% agreed, with only 20% actively disagreeing".
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Good stuff.

Some would point to Corbyn's 2017 % vote share as some degree of corroboration that addressing economic justice/equality results in popular support, but that 61% "fuck them all" seems eminently reasonable given the present convergent offer and Starmer's political transvestism.
 
brogdale said:
Good stuff.

Some would point to Corbyn's 2017 % vote share as some degree of corroboration that addressing economic justice/equality results in popular support, but that 61% "fuck them all" seems eminently reasonable given the present convergent offer and Starmer's political transvestism.
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I'd argue that 61% feels like an underestimation. In my work/family/mates circle I'd say it's 90% plus. People just think they are all venal wankers. They've got a point...
 
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