Keir Starmer's time is up

[two sheds]

Yeh you just watch it?

 

[steveseagull]

Apparently the Progress thing was watched by about 55 people when Starmzy was speaking

 

[hitmouse]

I like how the similar threads feature now means that this thread is always followed by "Demonstrate against Keir Starmer next Friday" from 2010.

 

[DotCommunist]

Instrumentality - that's the way to reconnect with people. When I voted I was thinking 'there's not enough instrumentality in labour now'

they speak of nothing else on the doorsteps, except how much we all let david milliband down

 

[two sheds]

Forensic instrumentality will be Kieth's new election buzzphrase.

Eta: I see one of the definitions instrumental is "of, relating to, or done with an instrument or tool" so perhaps the last one made it a good choice after all.

 

[steveseagull]

Mandelson's speech got 28 viewers

 

[two sheds]

Things can only get better

 

[steveseagull]

State of this

 

[Spandex]

Instrumentality - that's the way to reconnect with people. When I voted I was thinking 'there's not enough instrumentality in labour now'

Instrumentality is the perfect word for Starmerism - no one knows what it means.

I had to look it up: something through which an end is achieved. A legal term, of course. Still sums up Starmerism well; 'Labour must become a means to an end, a vehicle for change' - to what end and changing what remaining entirely unspecified. Labour: an empty vessel on the path to somewhere, just don't ask us where, cos we haven't got a clue either.

Electable!

 

[brogdale]

Instrumentality is the perfect word for Starmerism - no one knows what it means.

I had to look it up: something through which an end is achieved. A legal term, of course. Still sums up Starmerism well; 'Labour must become a means to an end, a vehicle for change' - to what end and changing what remaining entirely unspecified. Labour: an empty vessel on the path to somewhere, just don't ask us where, cos we haven't got a clue either.

Electable!

As ever with the LP, the question has to be to who's desired ends is it instrumental?

 

[Spandex]

As ever with the LP, the question has to be to who's desired ends is it instrumental?

If he wants anyone to vote for him maybe he could be clear about that. But since the answer for Starmer is probably 'maintaining the status quo, with a few nice things for the lower orders' maybe he's better off keeping quiet and continuing with soundbites so baffling they might confuse some people into voting for him.

 

[tommers]

State of this

That's some fucking nonsense.

 

[hitmouse]

Forensic instrumentality

Forensic Instrumentality is one of my favourite tracks off Necroticism – Descanting the Insalubrious, right up there with Corporal Jigsore Quandary imo.

 

[Raheem]

That's some fucking nonsense.

When you don't actually want to say what it is that you believe in...

 

[TopCat]

Mandelson certainly got himself in the papers this weekend. Painting himself and new labour as the future. Just got to get rid off progressive policy and get a new membership. Then fully divest of the working classes and dance into the distance holding Starmers hand.

 

[quiet guy]

State of this

I think they've appointed an AI as the new media lead because that's the only excuse for this absolute tosh.

 

[Pickman's model]

Mandelson certainly got himself in the papers this weekend. Painting himself and new labour as the future. Just got to get rid off progressive policy and get a new membership. Then fully divest of the working classes and dance into the distance holding Starmers hand.

in the library i used to work in, my manager and i looked out for examples of inbuilt obsolescence in titles, eg recent advances in opthalmology, dentistry in the 1990s etc. and new labour is certainly one title which was always going to lose its lustre so now it's not even gilded, it looks really fucking rank

 

[two sheds]

When you don't actually want to say what it is that you believe in...

... or don't actually know.

 

[TopCat]

Capitalists who don’t use the n word but think it.

 

[Leighsw2]

Difficult to disagree with this take.....

 

[glitch hiker]

Difficult to disagree with this take.....

Further... (and because it's funny to mock this nonsense)

 

[killer b]

they are shit numbers, but they were addressing a conference of centrist policy wonks, not the nation.

 

[Mr Moose]

Instrumentality is the perfect word for Starmerism - no one knows what it means.

I had to look it up: something through which an end is achieved. A legal term, of course. Still sums up Starmerism well; 'Labour must become a means to an end, a vehicle for change' - to what end and changing what remaining entirely unspecified. Labour: an empty vessel on the path to somewhere, just don't ask us where, cos we haven't got a clue either.

Electable!

There’s a slightly different, Frankfurt School, definition of instrumentalism, which iirc is about subjugating good stuff we luv like truth and reason as secondary to getting stuff done, with not so hilarious consequences.

 

[hitmouse]

Yeah, I think of it as having something to do with treating people as a means to an end rather than having inherent value in themselves, making it an odd word to associate yourself with.

 

[maomao]

Further... (and because it's funny to mock this nonsense)

280 quid not 290. Probably less as some would have free tickets or be other speakers etc.

 

[brogdale]

they were addressing a conference of centrist policy wonks, not the nation.

Starmer's LP, in a nutshell.

 

[kabbes]

they are shit numbers, but they were addressing a conference of centrist policy wonks, not the nation.

It really doesn’t matter, because the numbers are so shit regardless. How many used to turn up in person when Corbyn did a party speech? What’s the potential audience size of people interested enough in politics in principle to consider watching big names talk about it? God, my company gets more than 56 people choosing to tune in to listen to an underwriter talk about his/her product line in its fortnightly open learning sessions. There’s no way to be hyperbolic about just how bad it is to get just 56 people interested in what you have to say out of the whole country.

 

[killer b]

It wasn't a party speech that everyone in the country was invited to though, it was a conference to mark the amalgamation of two centrist think tanks. I have no idea how big the guest list was, and nor do you. Either way the numbers are terrible, but it's comparing apples with oranges to compare it with an open meeting or rally that anyone can rock up to.

 

[lazythursday]

I think it was pretty easy to get an invite as at least a couple of people of that 56 were left wing activists observing proceedings and reporting on twitter.

 

[belboid]

It wasn't a party speech that everyone in the country was invited to though, it was a conference to mark the amalgamation of two centrist think tanks. I have no idea how big the guest list was, and nor do you. Either way the numbers are terrible, but it's comparing apples with oranges to compare it with an open meeting or rally that anyone can rock up to.

I thought it was more about a comparison about whom they thought it was relevant to speak to.