Keir Starmer's time is up

[JTG]

Looking at this purely in politicking terms - his bid to cut potential rival Angela Raynor down to size has ended up giving her a massive boost - hugely raising her public profile, and highlighting her down to earth, authentic, northern womeness against his thumb up his arse stuffed suit suit image. Its brought a big chunk of the membership and PLP onto her side where many were previously ambivalent. She has a hugely expanded role, far more freedom to express her views and shes now perfectly placed to replace him. Well played kieth.

He has bad politics but what we also have to remember is that he is really terribly advised

 

[two sheds]

State of this

Around a third believe that Johnson tells the truth

I bet a similar number believe he's always been faithful to his partner.

 

[The39thStep]

Joseph Roundtree's report from last on low income and voting makes interesting reading in light of the discussion on where next for Labour

Low-income voters, the 2019 General Election and the future of British politics

This report looks at the effect of low-income voters on the 2019 UK General Election, and how their motivations and concerns affected their choices.

www.jrf.org.uk

 

[glitch hiker]

tbf to Starmer, he wins on Is in good physical and mental health

It's not Top Trumps mate!

 

[brogdale]

It's not Top Trumps mate!

Starmer is the political equivalent of the tasslled wobbegong in Sharks Top Trumps!

 

[glitch hiker]

Starmer is the political equivalent of the tasslled wobbegong in Sharks Top Trumps!

Starmer's the equivalent of the rule card that you get in packs. Superfluous and ignored

 

[The39thStep]

Some interesting graphs here on deprivation v winning party constituencies 2001,2017 and 2021

 

[brogdale]

Some interesting graphs here on deprivation v winning party constituencies 2001,2017 and 2021

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I did a little 'research' on my constituency using that data (Carshalton & Wallington - 4th decile) and found that it's 5 neighbouring constituencies fall in the 1st, (least), 2nd, 3rd, 5th and 6th deciles of deprivation.

 

[LDC]

Sorting out the problems Labour has isn't at all impossible, for sure to do it will take significant time and require work, but before they even get to that that they'll require a shift in priorities and overall outlook to enable it to happen.

The sticking points are I'm not sure The Party actually wants to do that, and even if they do, I'm not sure they're able to, either due to a lack of knowledge or being stuck in a cycle of failing to deal, and move beyond, their immediate short term problems.

 

[andysays]

He certainly didn't look in control, that's for sure.

Confusion in his eyes that says it all...

 

[steveseagull]

So Keith is now on a minus 48 person polling rating. With none of the shit Corbyn was dealing with. How can Keith be this bad?

 

[steveseagull]

Mandelson plunges the knife in

 

[Idris2002]

That's what you get for trusting the likes of Mandelson.

 

[Idris2002]

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[steveseagull]

This is the start of the purge of the soft left.

 

[MrSki]

That's what you get for trusting the likes of Mandelson.

This should have been enough to not touch him with the proverbial barge pole.

 

[Orang Utan]

Why has that belt still got its price tag? Maybe it’s Epstein’s belt and Mandy’s modelling it and Epstein later went on to hang himself with it (and yes of course he hanged himself, conspiradivs)

 

[Pickman's model]

This is the start of the purge of the soft left.

More likely the surge of the pop left

 

[Pickman's model]

So Keith is now on a minus 48 person polling rating. With none of the shit Corbyn was dealing with. How can Keith be this bad?

He's not cut out to be labour leader

 

[MrSki]

Well he looks pretty fucked. Time for Zarah Sultana to stand up.

She is young but has done an impressive job so far & I would be more than happy if she found herself leading the Labour party.

 

[elbows]

Apart from the badly unstuck quote the rest is not damning and includes shit like

“I have been round this course twice before,” he smiled. “The challenge for Keir is that he’s got to be both Kinnock and Blair rolled into one.”

 

[MrSki]

 

[TopCat]

Labour can be reformed if it looks outwards, not just inwards | Peter Mandelson

The party gains from its trade union links with working people, but it’s damaged by union leaders who use it as their political plaything, says former Hartlepool MP Peter Mandelson

www.theguardian.com

 

[Badgers]

Mandelson can fuck the fuck off

 

[Pickman's model]

Labour can be reformed if it looks outwards, not just inwards | Peter Mandelson

The party gains from its trade union links with working people, but it’s damaged by union leaders who use it as their political plaything, says former Hartlepool MP Peter Mandelson

www.theguardian.com

Surely all political parties are ruined by politicians who see their interests as superior to those of the people they affect to represent? Like say their personal relationships with foreign leaders and consequent involvement in illegal wars.

 

[andysays]

Mandelson seems to be everywhere at the moment.

Is it simply the opportunity provided by the Hartlepool by election, or is there something else going on?

 

[Pickman's model]

Mandelson seems to be everywhere at the moment.

Is it simply the opportunity provided by the Hartlepool by election, or is there something else going on?

Watch out in case he starts moving in a mysterious way

 

[ska invita]

Mandelson seems to be everywhere at the moment.

Is it simply the opportunity provided by the Hartlepool by election, or is there something else going on?

yeah its interesting how certain figures get such airwave access
whats happening though is Starmer publicly brought Mandleson back in as an "advisor", so we can only presume Mandlesons media bombing and messaging is with direct approval from Starmer

 

[andysays]

yeah its interesting how certain figures get such airwave access
whats happening though is Starmer publicly brought Mandleson back in as an "advisor", so we can only presume Mandlesons media bombing and messaging is with direct approval from Starmer

Missed that but starts to make sense now...

 

[ska invita]

yeah its interesting how certain figures get such airwave access
whats happening though is Starmer publicly brought Mandleson back in as an "advisor", so we can only presume Mandlesons media bombing and messaging is with direct approval from Starmer

In February 2021

Starmer calls in Mandelson to inject a dose of New Labour’s ‘winning mentality’

Sir Keir Starmer’s attempts to shift his party away from the far left have led him to the door of one of the founding members of New Labour: Lord Mandelson. Th

www.thetimes.co.uk

Starmer calls in Mandelson to inject a dose of New Labour’s ‘winning mentality’
As his honeymoon ends with sniping at his shadow cabinet and questions over his political nous, the party leader is putting his faith in Tony Blair’s chief strategist