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I mean, i'm no astute political operator, but it strikes even me that when the first thing you do is to basically signal you don't want a million and a half odd people's votes, you might not be the most adept politician.

I think the thinking is that these are the votes you can take for granted and are often useless anyway as they stack up in safe Labour seats. Of course that thinking was not just appalling but now quite clearly factually incorrect.

This was just before the Corbyn moment appropriately enough.
 
Rachel Reeves wiki has some okay info on it.

Including

Political positions and viewsEdit
Reeves has written a study on the financial crisis of 2007–2010 for the Fabian Review, Institute of Public Policy Research,[39] Socialist Environment and Resources Association,[40] and the European Journal of Political Economy.[41] In an article for Renewal entitled "The Politics of Deficit Reduction", Reeves offers her critique of the then-current financial situation and efforts to bring down the budget deficit.[42]

Reeves is a proponent of quantitative easing[43] to alleviate the late-2000s recession, having studied the effects of the policy on Japan in the early 2000s.[44]

In 2013, on becoming Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, she announced that Labour would be tougher than the Conservatives in reducing the benefits bill, with the long-term unemployed having to take a guaranteed job offer or lose benefits. The proposal was that anyone unemployed for two years, or one year if under 25 years old, would be required to take a job.[45]

Reeves supports the High Speed 2 rail project,[46] and raised the issue in the House of Commons,[47] as well as campaigning for the proposed Kirkstall Forge railway station.[48] She is also involved in the campaign to save the historic Bramley Baths[49][50] and the campaign to save the children's heart unit at Leeds General Infirmary.[51]

Reeves is a vice-chair of Labour Friends of Israel,[52] contributed a chapter to a book about Israeli politics and society,[53] and supports the Auschwitz-Birkenau Foundation.[54][55]

Reeves has been a long-standing admirer of Nancy Astor and has frequently praised her actions as an MP.[56][57]
 
I mean, i'm no astute political operator, but it strikes even me that when the first thing you do is to basically signal you don't want a million and a half odd people's votes, you might not be the most adept politician.
A reminder not just how fucking awful she is, but also the Miliband leadership was. Looking at the date of that report, she came out with that as part of the push to win power in 2015. Fucking scum.
 
I mean, i'm no astute political operator, but it strikes even me that when the first thing you do is to basically signal you don't want a million and a half odd people's votes, you might not be the most adept politician.

It's aged well though, really suits a time when absolutely shitloads of people have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.
 
Although the right wing of the labour party have just pored a bucket of shit over themselves - despite starmers new shadow cabinet, hes effectively set up raynor as an alternative left(ish) centre of power, his authority and reputation is shattered and I dont think many people within the LP believe that doubling down on the "moderate sensible centrism" is the way forward. Especially after Hartlepool.
 
It wasn't only just before the Corbyn moment - it was one of the key speeches that created the Corbyn moment. That Reeves is now in the second most senior position in the parliamentary party should be a sign of just how over that moment is.
i know what you're saying but this is increasingly looking like the labour right burning up like a comet / last stand at the ok coral / going down in flames , choose your metaphor> if this is all a dialectic/reactionary response to corbyn, i reckon the pendulum is looking set to swing back the other way much sooner than might have happened otherwise.
 
i know what you're saying but this is increasingly looking like the labour right burning up like a comet / last stand at the ok coral / going down in flames , choose your metaphor> if this is all a dialectic/reactionary response to corbyn, i reckon the pendulum is looking set to swing back the other way much sooner than might have happened otherwise.
Would love to think so, it'll surely depend on how many right wing MPs there are? From when they were getting rid of Corbyn there lots more of them than left wing.
 
I think were the left ever to be in power within Labour ever again (and I'm not convinced that will ever be allowed by the people who would rather burn the party to the ground) you'd hope a lesson might be that compromise doesn't work, the staff need to be yours, and open selection is an immediate necessity.
 
It's aged well though, really suits a time when absolutely shitloads of people have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.
In all fairness, it was absolutely fucking shit when she came out with it at the time.
i know what you're saying but this is increasingly looking like the labour right burning up like a comet / last stand at the ok coral / going down in flames , choose your metaphor> if this is all a dialectic/reactionary response to corbyn, i reckon the pendulum is looking set to swing back the other way much sooner than might have happened otherwise.
I mean, the Corbyn moment wasn't just purely a product of the Labour right being shit and ineffective, it was the combination of that with a critical mass of people deciding that they wanted to put their energies into Labour, and I'm not convinced that's coming back. I wonder what Green membership figures are looking like at the moment? I remember the "Green Surge" being much-hyped in the moment immediately pre-Corbyn, and some of the election results would suggest that there's energy swinging back in that direction.
 
In all fairness, it was absolutely fucking shit when she came out with it at the time.

I mean, the Corbyn moment wasn't just purely a product of the Labour right being shit and ineffective, it was the combination of that with a critical mass of people deciding that they wanted to put their energies into Labour, and I'm not convinced that's coming back. I wonder what Green membership figures are looking like at the moment? I remember the "Green Surge" being much-hyped in the moment immediately pre-Corbyn, and some of the election results would suggest that there's energy swinging back in that direction.

Yes I think its important to consider where the Momentum has gone.
 
Finally gets round to (publicly) acknowledging Welsh Labour's electoral success last week.

 
I think were the left ever to be in power within Labour ever again (and I'm not convinced that will ever be allowed by the people who would rather burn the party to the ground) you'd hope a lesson might be that compromise doesn't work, the staff need to be yours, and open selection is an immediate necessity.
what people now call the left in labour is in many ways rather to the right of such stalwart socialists as 'red' jim callaghan and denis 'dzerzhinsky' healey: and even of viscount stansgate himself, auld tony benn
 
In all fairness, it was absolutely fucking shit when she came out with it at the time.

I mean, the Corbyn moment wasn't just purely a product of the Labour right being shit and ineffective, it was the combination of that with a critical mass of people deciding that they wanted to put their energies into Labour, and I'm not convinced that's coming back. I wonder what Green membership figures are looking like at the moment? I remember the "Green Surge" being much-hyped in the moment immediately pre-Corbyn, and some of the election results would suggest that there's energy swinging back in that direction.
true, but it wouldnt take much for people to pile back in to labour if it was felt that there was a chance and reason to, and if it happens soon enough perhaps with some lessons learned

yes was thinking about the greens similarly - if the greens win power in Germany - a real chance, seemingly on track to do so - that might also add to a surge of entryism!
 
i know what you're saying but this is increasingly looking like the labour right burning up like a comet / last stand at the ok coral / going down in flames , choose your metaphor> if this is all a dialectic/reactionary response to corbyn, i reckon the pendulum is looking set to swing back the other way much sooner than might have happened otherwise.
You put it better than I was going to, the dialectic bit, but I was going to make the same point. To me we are still playing out the failure of Corbynism and Momentum to grow deep roots and move beyond the borders of the Labour Party and into real life. It was also a grand old duke of york thing as well as they recruited hundreds of thousand of new members and did very little with them. It all fell apart around Brexit - Brexit was a lot of things but it was also about a reaction against politicians who play westminster games rather than relate to and organise in communities. That's my usual rant about Corbynism, but as you say, what we are seeing now is not a 'thing', not an ideology or a project. Centrist Sensibilism is nothing but saying we are not Corbyn. Blair came to power at a time when almost anyone could have led Labour to power, but did have it's own politics and sense of direction. Loathsome as that was, Blair could 'do politics'. Starmer hasn't even got that.

Same time, I don't see the left coming back at any time soon. The electoral system keeps Labour in place, but hanging on the ropes.
 
What exactly is the chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster? I mean I know it’s a senior minister without portfolio that technically does a bunch of shit… but I’d assumed (by Gove’s appointment to it) that it was a good place to put someone you don’t like, but need to give some aura of seniority.
 
Oh good grief not the Greens. Awful anti-working class politics with ostensibly environmental excuses.
The UK Greens have some real loons hiding in their closet, and some fundamentally wrong policies. But bear in mind they've nothing whatsoever to do with the continental Greens.
 
Speaking to Jeremy Vine on BBC Radio 2, former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says the party didn't do better in the election because "we weren't strong enough opposing government on Covid, we weren't strong enough on them handing out contracts the way they did".

He adds that Labour needs to demand "proper support" for people when the furlough scheme comes to an end.

And he says former Labour minister Peter Mandelson - who last week blamed Labour losses on Corbyn and Covid - was "completely wrong" in his analysis.

Thats from the 12:36 entry on the BBC live updates page https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-57053589

Theres a bunch of reasons why nobody got my vote this time but piss poor pandemic performance was top of the list.
 
you never hear anyone out of labour talking about the unacceptable face of capitalism, they'd have to get their tongues out of the capitalists' arses first
Top rate on investment income at 90% when Heath was in wasn't it? WIlson the Stalinist raised unearned income tax to 98% :eek:
 
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