Katie Hopkins

[frogwoman]

That's sort of part of the schtick of 4chan 'white supremacists' and even Donald Trump, people are saying that they are going for the comedy but they are nodding along because the punchline is about people who they hate. The end result is the same whether it is comedy or not.

yes I agree.

 

[J Ed]

She may not actually think that Palestinians are cockroaches or that we should shoot refugees but clearly her views can't be that far from the ones which she is willing to state in a newspaper with an audience of millions otherwise she would never have said what she has said in the first place.

 

[frogwoman]

yes, in a way it actually makes her worse.

 

[DotCommunist]

recall a comedians line about Littlejohn 'All those opinions that he has, for money'

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

recall a comedians line about Littlejohn 'All those opinions that he has, for money'

I think that quote was about Clarkson, actually. Not that it makes much difference.

 

[8den]

She may not actually think that Palestinians are cockroaches or that we should shoot refugees but clearly her views can't be that far from the ones which she is willing to state in a newspaper with an audience of millions otherwise she would never have said what she has said in the first place.

I suspect she hold fairly right wing views. Jon Ronson did a good profile of her. I think she realised that there's good money in being controversial.

 

[Gromit]

otherwise she would never have said what she has said in the first place.

For enough money (say about a tenner) she'd publicly state that she wishes all children get cancer, allegedly*.
Do not underestimate what she'll do for fame and fortune.

* my lawyers insisted i insert that word

 

[LDC]

She's currently on Radio 4 Women's Hour talking about how she hates 'fat people'. FFS, why is she given the airtime?

 

[danny la rouge]

She's currently on Radio 4 Women's Hour talking about how she hates 'fat people'. FFS, why is she given the airtime?

Does she, aye?

 

[DotCommunist]

getting paid to be an obnoxious shit. Not even a subtle one, just a boorish oaf. I'm in the wrong game

 

[LDC]

getting paid to be an obnoxious shit. Not even a subtle one, just a boorish oaf. I'm in the wrong game

She's moved from being simply boorish and obnoxious to being clearly fucking nasty and encouraging discrimination and hate against certain groups of people.

She was asked if she'd give a job to someone with epilepsy (which she has) in the interview, and she said she'd find it hard to.

 

[hash tag]

" why is he given the airtime?" possibly the same reason as she is still be talked about on here?

 

[weltweit]

I didn't hear much of it except that she had apparently put 4 stone on as a test and then lost it to prove she could. But that does not prove anything. She is naturally a thin person, for her losing the weight is not so significant compared to someone who is naturally over weight doing the same.

 

[D'wards]

Listening to a Richard Herring podcast where he was offered £10k to go on her show - a huge amount cos no one wants to go on.
Although he needed the money he declined cos even if you are going on to challenge her aggressively, you are still carrying on the brand by participating.
Although they did suggest that you go on and kill her with unrelated kindness - "who hurt you Katie? *whispering* who hurt you?, who hurt you?" type thing i think.

 

[LDC]

But that does not prove anything. She is naturally a thin person, for her losing the weight is not so significant compared to someone who is naturally over weight doing the same.

I agree it proves nothing (of real worth) but I disagree with the 'naturally thin/naturally over-weight person' bit of what you said as there's no such thing.

I think what she (of course) missed were the structural issues around poverty, access to info/healthcare/advice, and all sorts of issues around power/class that make up significant contributions to whether someone is over weight or not, rather than it being some pre-determined biological thing.

 

[DotCommunist]

she doesn't give a shit either way, its just 'fat people lol'

 

[weltweit]

I agree it proves nothing (of real worth) but I disagree with the 'naturally thin/naturally over-weight person' bit of what you said as there's no such thing.

But you would not disagree that some people just are thin while some others just are overweight, without either of them having done anything substantive to create that difference?

 

[LDC]

Excluding some medications and some very rare conditions that make people gain weight, and assuming we're talking about people outside the reasonably wide spectrum of normal/healthy body weight range, then no, people are not 'just overweight' without having done anything significant to be like that.

But the whole thing is so loaded with ideology and cultural specifics though it's pretty hard to make sense of any of it. But I know her just saying "Look I gained 4 stone and then lost it again so you can too" is fucking ignorant and dangerous.

She'd be much better off campaigning for an end to or restriction of night shifts for all workers as that's proven to lead to weight issues among workers that do them. Or a wage increase. Or basically anything.

I'd like to see her lose about a stone. From the neck up.

 

[weltweit]

Excluding some medications and some very rare conditions that make people gain weight, and assuming we're talking about people outside the reasonably wide spectrum of normal/healthy body weight range, then no, people are not 'just overweight' without having done anything significant to be like that.
..

I find that difficult to follow.

What you are effectively saying is that if two or more random people followed the same diet and exercise regime they would end up as the same proportional size / weight. Is there any evidence to support this idea?

 

[Libertad]

[/snip]

I'd like to see her lose about a stone. From the neck up.

 

[LDC]

Within some slight variable range (like they won't end up the same weight obviously) and depending on a few other factors like age/metabolism/living situation, yes. And yes!

Conversely, are you saying people are just 'naturally' a particular weight with no difference made by energy input/output?

 

[weltweit]

Within some slight variable range (like they won't end up the same weight obviously) and depending on a few other factors like age/metabolism/living situation, yes. And yes!

So you concede different people can have different metabolisms? Surely this is enough to explain in many cases why different people have different BMIs?

 

[sim667]

Basically LynnDoyleCooper is saying the sole reason people are fat is because they're lazy and its their own fault, apart from a few exceptions.

 

[LDC]

Basically LynnDoyleCooper is saying the sole reason people are fat is because they're lazy and its their own fault, apart from a few exceptions.

Did you even read what I wrote?

That's the exact opposite of what I've said. I said it's largely down to what they eat and what they do, but that is almost entirely NOT THEIR FAULT, but is because of structural issues around class, power, culture, poverty, etc. etc..

 

[LDC]

So you concede different people can have different metabolisms? Surely this is enough to explain in many cases why different people have different BMIs?

I think we need some clarity here...

Forget BMI.

I'm not paying any attention what this fucked up society considers overweight, which is anyone outside a horribly restricted set of parameters.

And yes, on some level metabolic differences between people play a small part in someone's weight.

But I'm talking about overweight that's a health and cultural (i.e. bullying/exclusion/access to services) issue, where the metabolic differences play an insignificant part.

If someone is 5'10" and between 10 or 13 stone then metabolism might play a part as to which weight they are. If someone is 5'10" and between 21 or 23 stone then it's largely not their metabolism.

Doesn't mean it's their fault FFS. But that doesn't mean it's just 'naturally' the way they are. That lets society off the hook as much as the other end of the argument that blames them for over eating.

 

[sim667]

Excluding some medications and some very rare conditions that make people gain weight, and assuming we're talking about people outside the reasonably wide spectrum of normal/healthy body weight range, then no, people are not 'just overweight' without having done anything significant to be like that.

But the whole thing is so loaded with ideology and cultural specifics though it's pretty hard to make sense of any of it. But I know her just saying "Look I gained 4 stone and then lost it again so you can too" is fucking ignorant and dangerous.

She'd be much better off campaigning for an end to or restriction of night shifts for all workers as that's proven to lead to weight issues among workers that do them. Or a wage increase. Or basically anything.

I'd like to see her lose about a stone. From the neck up.

Within some slight variable range (like they won't end up the same weight obviously) and depending on a few other factors like age/metabolism/living situation, yes. And yes!

Conversely, are you saying people are just 'naturally' a particular weight with no difference made by energy input/output?

Did you even read what I wrote?

That's the exact opposite of what I've said. I said it's largely down to what they eat and what they do, but that is almost entirely NOT THEIR FAULT, but is because of structural issues around class, power, culture, poverty, etc. etc..

No, your first two posts quoted, absolutely contradict your response to me.

 

[LDC]

Then you've misunderstood what I wrote, either due to my bad sentence structure or lack of clarity, or through your ignorance or some issues around the subject, as that's not what I think at all.

I never mentioned 'blame' or 'fault' and my posts were attacking Hopkins for her saying that.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

If someone is 5'10" and between 10 or 13 stone then metabolism might play a part as to which weight they are. If someone is 5'10" and between 21 or 23 stone then it's largely not their metabolism.

Not sure where you've got this from. While it's absolutely true that there are societal and lifestyle issues here - there exist societies where being overweight is very rare indeed - that doesn't mean differences in metabolism are not a crucial factor in explaining why, under the same societal and lifestyle pressures, some become overweight and others don't.

 

[LDC]

I've assumed we're talking about the UK here, as I acknowledged earlier that if you bring cultural issues concerning other societies (Polynesian for an easy example) into it it becomes even more complicated.

Blaming largely metabolism lets society, power in-balances, gender issues, and the fucked up culture around food and body weight/image off the hook.

If people think I'm blaming individuals then I'm really sorry, that's not what I think, nor what I intended to say when I wrote any of the above.

 

[sim667]

Then you've misunderstood what I wrote, either due to my bad sentence structure or lack of clarity, or through your ignorance or some issues around the subject, as that's not what I think at all.

I never mentioned 'blame' or 'fault' and my posts were attacking Hopkins for her saying that.

Ill take your word for it.