Just found out a guy who works for me is being a git

[friedaweed]

I'd seen what Citizen saw, but I expected her to have corrected that kind of bullshit by now. But now I've looked up what firky was talking about and she hasn't. I think he's wrong to say no one picked her up on it at the time, several people did - but in incredibly gentle ways which don't seem to have got the message across. Probably because she is very popular around here (for good reasons, no doubt).

I hate talking about her behind her back, and I'm not going to post the links. It's just pissing me off that firky is getting attacked for getting upset about it.

Same here and fair doos. Firks is a prize cunt but he's not a nasty one. Well not since he was possessed by that kitty loving bonobo he got his new liver off

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

interestingly, less than you'd think. I worked in Dubai for a bit and have attended a workshop in Saudi, and they never noticed what I wore, ignored my comments etc- they just seemed to regard me as a third gender, or a different species or something. Obv I didn't wear a super mini, but just ordinary work clothes

Ballsy: Even president's wives make concessions for local custom in places like Saudi, Indonesia.

 

[purenarcotic]

A whole thread was created because an MP said 'the Jews'. Because saying stuff like that isn't appropriate, whether you say it once or 100 times.

It was right to be pulled up, it was done in the wrong way, I think firks said it has now been sorted by PM anyhow.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

but the attacks and defenses of her were, i think largely coming from the understanding that she was a woman.

There were a few, early on, from those who knew it was a bloke from other boards. I can't remember who said it but a male poster thought it was interesting that women had Foxy sussed as a fake (although not necessarily a bloke) first.

 

[Firky]

There are some people who aren't going to take note of criticism and try to improve, in which case you may as well have fun and go for the jugular. I don't think Manter fell in this camp. There was a way of making your point without engaging in bloodsports.

I don't really know anything about her, I've only been back maybe six months (and causing a shit storm), but I appreciate that there is a way of dealing with some people and not others. I honestly thought I was being quite restrained and even started my post with something like, "I feel like a twat for saying this to you but.." (don't recall the actual words). Maybe I need to blunt the blade some more.

I wouldn't know this of course unless you pointed it out so should it happen again, I'll go for theuir ankles.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

See my later post- it is just as unfair if an overseas assignment gets him a salary increase- you can't take that off him and when he goes home he earns more than the rest of the team combined (though not entirely true for india as their wages in IT aren't *that* low any more). So most international firms use a series of allowances to equalise income but keep fixed costs stable and stop international assignments distorting their international structures.

Huh. When I look at the international ads in my field, the pay overseas is as good as, or better than it is here.

 

[Belushi]

i doubt it, actually. if you look at the big contentious posters who have been barracked non-stop, it's been upchuck, foxy and cheesy. 3 women.

I'm not sure thats right tbh, Jazz for example springs to mind as a male poster just as contentious who takes a a lot of flak.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There were a few, early on, from those who knew it was a bloke from other boards. I can't remember who said it but a male poster thought it was interesting that women had Foxy sussed as a fake (although not necessarily a bloke) first.

Foxy's most virulent defenders were women as well. And as I recall, a fair number of men sussed her out pretty early on - only to be set upon by those same defenders.

 

[weltweit]

JC3, you are a bit behind the thread.... ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more happens later

 

[Firky]

In terms of urban bunfights this is a pretty piss poor one and pingu's gonna be pretty upset that such a trivial one has derailed his important HR issue

That's what makes me laugh, poor bloke checking his phone thinking "Jesus fucking christ"

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I really don't want to read ten more pages of this thread: can someone help me:

Who said 'the Indian'?

Who has been sussed?

The suspense is killing me.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

JC3, you are a bit behind the thread.... ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more happens later

I have an appointment in less than an hour, and I'm not that fast a reader.

 

[spanglechick]

Foxy's most virulent defenders were women as well. And as I recall, a fair number of men sussed her out pretty early on - only to be set upon by those same defenders.

really? i stand corrected - thinking about it, i think things did change once she said she was pregnant and appeared more real and vulnerable. before that, i don't think (s)he had much sister-support. she was certainly significantly less-well-defended than manter.

i don't have any kind of point, btw - i was just pinting out that i thought C66 was wrong.

 

[Frumious B.]

If I have this right: the majority of people on here on this thread agree with me, save for a few who admit they'd use the term themselves, but they do not agree how I pulled her up on it.

No, you don't have it right. Dream on.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Foxy's most virulent defenders were women as well. And as I recall, a fair number of men sussed her out pretty early on - only to be set upon by those same defenders.

To be honest, I avoided Foxy threads as it would be time I'd never get back.

 

[ymu]

so Pingu - how did you handle stupid.

I've searched through pages of other stuff on this thread hoping to find the resolution

You can search threads. Just put Pingu in the 'posted by' box and check 'search this thread only'.

spoke with both the guy and the clients team leader this morning and.. the guy is a dick

the team lead is pretty pissed off, to put it mildly, and wont allow him back on site so that kinda takes one decision out of my hands.

the guy himself cant see that he has done anything wrong. he did make the comments and has downgraded priorities of work passed to him from the team lead. he was at pains to try to point out that we need to understand his cultural background and make allowances for it in where we place him.... this went down REALLY well. there was little desire to see that what he did was not acceptable in the country (nearly slipped up there) where he was based and that the UK company in particular had strong policies that made this sort of behaviour unacceptable. Mr Pingu does not have to "try to understand that in his culture this is the norm and its not normal for a man to be dictated to by a women". IME none of the other people we have engaged from the Indian subcontinent (OK for you Firky?) have had this attitude so even though I am not an expert on the culture I am going to call "bollocks" on that.

so .. its back to india for him

 

[Firky]

This usage of "the Indian"...I've just reread all Manter's posts in this thread....many hundreds of words, she said "the Indian" once. Post #64. Is that the egregious crime we are talking about? Post 64?

Edit function. She edited her posts apart from the one I quoted, (which she asked me to edit). It was said a couple of times. She also said she didn't see the problem with using the phrase in her original response to me. Keep up.

 

[weltweit]

I have an appointment in less than an hour, and I'm not that fast a reader.

Manter said "the indian", Firky had a go at her, the rest is history

 

[Firky]

I had no idea it was penicillin that grew on the skins.

Matt Baker handling a giant lubed sausage

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I'm just putting this out there: does someone suggest that Manter is 'full of baloney' as we used to say when I was a kid? Or is it someone else?

Just askin' the question.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

really? i stand corrected - thinking about it, i think things did change once she said she was pregnant and appeared more real and vulnerable. before that, i don't think (s)he had much sister-support. she was certainly significantly less-well-defended than manter.

i don't have any kind of point, btw - i was just pinting out that i thought C66 was wrong.

Not so sure about that. I think plenty of women saw straight through her/him, although yeah, I think when she got pregnant, that changed a bit, but then with her continuous flounces, I think people starting rethinking

I may be wrong, it was all so long ago

 

[Frumious B.]

Edit function. She edited her posts apart from the one I quoted, (which she asked me to edit). It was said a couple of times. She also said she didn't see the problem with using the phrase in her original response to me. Keep up.

So she used it twice. I don't have a problem with that, partly because she refers to her partner as "the Northerner" and partly because of the context she used it in. In my books you're a total cunt.

 

[Citizen66]

i doubt it, actually. if you look at the big contentious posters who have been barracked non-stop, it's been upchuck, foxy and cheesy. 3 women.

I was a defender of cheesy and foxy and got masses of shit for it. Off women! Was doing it for sexual purposes etc which is surely a rank stereotype in itself.

I spoke to upchuck via pm once. She saw it as 'a sport' (her words). No knight in shining armour required for that one.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

really? i stand corrected - thinking about it, i think things did change once she said she was pregnant and appeared more real and vulnerable. before that, i don't think (s)he had much sister-support. she was certainly significantly less-well-defended than manter.

i don't have any kind of point, btw - i was just pinting out that i thought C66 was wrong.

Foxy presented as a half black woman. She had ferocious supporters right from the get-go.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I was a defender of cheesy and foxy and got masses of shit for it. Off women! Was doing it for sexual favours.

Shame on you!

 

[trashpony]

That was another Manter one, IIRC.

Oh, so it was

 

[Firky]

No, you don't have it right. Dream on.

Well yeah, not to x-thread beefs but it was only the other day you were saying women couldn't accept that they may have to stab people if they were in a combat role. So it does not surprise me that you'd call someone "the Indian" without seeing what was wrong.

And we're off again...

 

[trashpony]

Well yeah, not to x-thread beefs but it was only the other day you were saying women couldn't accept that they may have to stab people if they were in a combat role.

And we're off again...

Do we need more popcorn?

 

[lizzieloo]

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Not so sure about that. I think plenty of women saw straight through her/him, although yeah, I think when she got pregnant, that changed a bit, but then with her continuous flounces, I think people starting rethinking

I may be wrong, it was all so long ago

As I recall, men started calling bullshit when she started putting up the babe photos. But then, the defence brigade would come at you with such vehemence, that you felt shamefaced for having such improper thoughts [ie that Foxy .... gasp... wasn't real]. But... the thoughts just wouldn't go away.